Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Desktop CPUs, 50% Slower GPU

Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by ddingus on Saturday June 10, 2023 @06:33PM (#36275903)

It is not the dollars per watt that matters to many users.

What matters more than people may realize is battery runtime. The Apple hardware just spanks x86 hardware, unless that hardware is fitted with a big battery, and or a secondary one.

I typically run Lenovo hardware, and on my faster machine, I got a very large battery and could get 6 solid hours. And that is at a nice 3Ghz speed too.

My current machine (i5) is far slower than the M1 and that hot running Lenovo. (i7) It has two batteries that can yield 5 to 7 hours.

Those machines are heavier, slower, bigger, and just feel crappy compared to the M1 Air I have been using.

And that thing is crazy good. Battery life is longer, sometimes by a considerable amount. It is great hardware, fast, easy to use, light, you name it.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by pjmlp on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:10PM (#36276251)

If we forget about servers.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by threeseed on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:38PM (#36276476)

Which we should because no one is using a Mac as a server.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by astrange on Saturday June 10, 2023 @09:14PM (#36276987)

They should (or equivalent product). ARMv8 processors are much more secure than x86 and will continue to improve in ARMv9.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by 1over137 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @10:21PM (#36277331)

People used to run Mac OS X servers, but Apple does not care for that market.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by iCodeSometime on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:47PM (#36362756)

If we only consider web servers.

Mac servers are pretty much required for any kind of CICD for Apple development.

Just about any company with an iOS or Mac app will have or rent a Mac server.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by ddingus on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:58PM (#36276595)

Sure. When talking about desktop, personal computing, servers are not really a discussion.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by pjmlp on Sunday June 11, 2023 @02:27AM (#36278748)

It is when overreacting the extent of Apple achievements in the industry.

Most people in 2nd and 3rd tier countries don't have the necessary means to buy those equipments, and additionally they aren't a presence on servers and embedded markets.

So in those markets it doesn't matter if M2 Ultra smashes AMD and Intel, no one will ever use one.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by ddingus on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:26PM (#36288125)

I has never mattered. I do not understand your point.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by antifa on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:55PM (#36297972)

M1 mini will make a great home server, would be nice to see someone do a comparison with similar products like Intel NUC for a home server of that size. I'm using an old NUC as a home server and the only drawback is that it only has the capacity for 2 harddrives.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by diffeomorphism on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @04:34AM (#36307335)

With 8gb of ram and 256gb of storage? Otherwise it is like $1000. So, yeah that buys you a decent home server, but at that price it is kinda underwhelming considering the limited OS compatibility, ports, size (much larger than a NUC), ...

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by GeekyBear on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:18PM (#36276306)

Also, consider how much a PC laptop has to throttle performance if you unplug it from the wall.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by ddingus on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:56PM (#36276575)

Yes! That is often significant. Sometimes worse than half performance, or it will suck the battery dry fast enough to seriously increase battery life decay.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by comte7092 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @08:46PM (#36276887)

And don’t forget cooling! All that extra power draw generates heat.

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by andrekandre on Saturday June 10, 2023 @09:33PM (#36277072)

  > And don’t forget cooling! All that extra power draw generates heat.

in turn can cause more throttling if its not cooled (loudly) enough

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Re:Apple M2 Ultra Isn't Faster Than Last Gen AMD&Intel Deskt... by sneak on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:59PM (#36276602)

TFA is about the M2 Ultra chip - it is not available in any system that is battery powered. They are in the Max Studio and Mac Pro only.

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