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Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by jolmg on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:34PM (#36248544)
> is it possible that what Apple's doing is the simpler and better way to solve the problem? Pass-through AR strikes me as an old-school analog approach, like optical printing for special effects.

I think they're different and not one better than the other. If I wanted to drive with an HMD on, or otherwise be in a situation where it could be deadly to have my sight turned off for even a second or to even have some lag or stutter in my eyesight, I'd much rather have a pass-through AR HMD. One's sense of sight seems much more reliable with it by its very nature. Such modes of failure are simply impossible with transparent plastic.

Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by flangola7 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @05:18PM (#36249228)
Your steering wheel and pedals are digital too. Airliner controls have been digital for decades. Factories have life or death safety systems that count on silicon and a software stack to respond quickly and without error.

Apple can make it possible if they wanted too.

Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by faitswulff on Thursday June 08, 2023 @05:53PM (#36249712)
These are all very different from the “HUD goes dark and my meat brain panics, causing me to get into an accident” scenario that GP is talking about.
Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by YetAnotherNick on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:05PM (#36251160)
There are multiple system running on silicon that have been made to not go dark in normal mode of operation. Some examples could be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety-critical_system
Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by sdeframond on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:14PM (#36249964)
I believe cars' steering are analog because it would too expensive to achieve the required level of reliability.

Planes are crazy expensive anyway,so fly-by-wire can be afforded.

Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by numpad0 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:46PM (#36250293)
Steering is analog. One of reasons why by-wire steering control did not succeed is user feedback, it was tried and failed. Brake pedal is analog too, just assisted and override-able. Gas pedal had been all digital for some time.

Also, it’s true that Airbus sidestick is fully electronic, but there’s a nuance in engine control being in the center on airplanes. Until automated, engine control on airliners was a task of a flight engineer, like it still is on ocean going ships. So fully digitalized engine control is a replacement to the FE, not necessarily an automation of what originally was a pilot’s task. Which means, I think, pushing a vehicle forward was never necessarily the responsibility of a pilot or a driver, though controlling where not to go is.

Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by fooker on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:50PM (#36250342)
>Steering is analog.

This is changing rapidly. eg:

https://www.infinitiusa.com/infiniti-news/technology/direct-...

Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by numpad0 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:37PM (#36251489)
That was the failed attempt I was referring to, literally a decade ago. Toyota is doing a retry with bZ4X/Lexus RZ, and those three are the only known cars to have passed prototype stages with (front wheel)Steer-By-Wire.
Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by Despegar on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:47PM (#36250312)
Which is probably the point of the R1 and the real-time subsystem.
Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by jonplackett on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:13PM (#36250627)
Yeah this is the most interesting bit in a way.

Wearing the quest in pass though mode is kinda cool for a bit, but the lag makes it horrible to use for any more than checking where a wall is.

If they really have made this feel instant that’s a massive deal on its own.

Re:The paper that came up with Apple Vision Pro's outward-fa... by fennecfoxy on Friday June 09, 2023 @11:34AM (#36259388)
If 1T Apple are such magic tech wizards then why couldn't they make AirPower work?