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Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by s1artibartfast on Thursday June 08, 2023 @02:42PM (#36246616)
>And it would have been a deal: 6 months of opportunity cost upfront to then turn into real profit. Instead they are permanently lose the [possibly] majority of that opportunity when those users lose access to Reddit.

I dont think that is accurate. Reddit doesnt make 20M a year if they buy Apollo in this situation.

If something costs 20 million/yr to operate, buying it doesnt reduce that cost. You are just out 10M upfront and then 20M/yr.

The solution is not to buy it, but to make it stop.

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by pooper on Thursday June 08, 2023 @02:58PM (#36246869)
This forces Reddit to say out loud that the reason they want to introduce payments is to make third party apps stop.

Reddit has to say that the pricing it has is reasonable which means that they have to say Apollo can earn (at least!) USD 20M a year. If Apollo can earn USD 20M a year, buying it for USD 10M is indeed a steal. Normally, if you think a company makes 20M a year, you have to pay at least x 5, so USD 100M to buy this money printing machine.

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by s1artibartfast on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:19PM (#36247191)
Claiming something costs you 20M/yr, doesn't mean that it can make 20M/yr.

>If Apollo can earn USD 20M a year, buying it for USD 10M is indeed a steal.

Not if you can get the same thing for doing nothing. Buy Apollo for 10M up front and make 20M/yr or dont buy Apollo and make 20M/yr. Does it really look like a steal when the alternative is free?

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by Dylan16807 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @02:56PM (#36246849)
They seem to think the 20 million is payable.

Even if they could only get a quarter of that from users, they'd be rolling in money after a year or two.

> and then 20M/yr

The servers don't cost anywhere near that much to run.

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by comprev on Thursday June 08, 2023 @05:21PM (#36249281)
Unless you use AWS :-)
Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by zamalek on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:10PM (#36247053)
> Reddit doesnt make 20M a year if they buy Apollo in this situation.

They claim that they would.

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by s1artibartfast on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:17PM (#36247172)
No, they claim Apollo costs them 20M/yr (agreeably dubious). That doesnt mean Apollo can make 20M/yr if reddit owns it.
Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by zamalek on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:00PM (#36247930)
Opportunity cost essentially means lost revenue. They (Reddit) aren't referring to server/egress/cloud/etc. costs. Eliminating lost revenue = new revenue.
Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by s1artibartfast on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:20PM (#36248310)
>Opportunity cost essentially means lost revenue. They (Reddit) aren't referring to server/egress/cloud/etc. costs. Eliminating lost revenue = new revenue

Sure, but that doesn't mean buying/owning apollo helps them eliminate that lost revenue. They eliminate lost revenue when Apollo stops existing, not when they buy it. What is the point of buying it if you dont want it to exist?

Take 2 options:

A> Buy Apollo for $10M, Apollo shuts down, 20M new revenue

B> Don't buy Apollo, Apollo shuts down, 20M new revenue

Spending $10M doesn't stop the losses, Apollo shutting down does.

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by neoromantique on Thursday June 08, 2023 @05:51PM (#36249692)
I utilized a JavaScript script to delete all of my comments and posts from the past ten years. Despite adding delays between deletions, it took multiple tries over several days because some posts kept reappearing.

I guess I want to emphasize that despite not being 3p client user (I was using old.reddit.com), this situation hurts sites reputation enough to bleed me as an user, enough for me to go through the trouble of actually wiping the account, in stead of leaving my content with me under <deleted>.

It is unlikely they'll feel short-term traffic effects of this, but content quality will suffer for sure, will see how that'll pan out. (From the safety of HN comments, of course).

Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by nikaspran on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:08PM (#36248062)
According to the quotes by Reddit themselves, the 20M a year is opportunity cost, not actual cost.
Re:Apollo will close down on June 30th by s1artibartfast on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:24PM (#36248374)
agreed. Owning Apollo doesnt reduce the opportunity cost. They still lose 20M, but now they own Apollo.