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Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by ghaff on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:31PM (#36236453)
Some people do have very specific demands of company office environments because they don't like working in more open settings with ambient noise.

For me, if I could walk 5-10 minutes to an office (especially with people I actually worked with, which wouldn't be the case if I drove 30 minutes to the nearest office) I'd probably do so pretty regularly. For me, it's definitely mostly about the commute which would be 30+ minutes to the closest office and then I wouldn't know anyone there.

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by andyferris on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:39PM (#36236486)
I'm supposing in this thought experiment, being so close means you could be in the office for morning standup, work breaks, and meetings, and still do your deep work at home each day...
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by robotresearcher on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @11:38PM (#36236878)
Even if you’re not so close you can shift evening commute home to lunchtime or early afternoon, and settle in for solo time at home. I do this quite a bit.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by throwaway5959 on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:34PM (#36236466)
I mean, offices used to have cubicles and the noise wasn’t nearly as bad. Maybe we could bring those back.

Oh wait, that much sq ft per person was “too expensive” so I guess we’re all going back to open plan hell.

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by adrr on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:40PM (#36236496)
Used to be offices not cubicles.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by ghaff on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:43PM (#36236518)
Not really for most people. When I interviewed with Boeing in the 80s, it was a room full of desks and no partitions with managers around the outside in offices. I did, at the time, have a job with another company where I had an office (though I spent most of my time on job sites) but offices for IC engineers were never the norm at most companies.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by midoridensha on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:08AM (#36237065)
Cubicles are bad for collaboration: you can't easily hear all the conversations around you that have absolutely nothing to do with whatever you're working on. Corporate executives know that being constantly exposed to conversations on topics outside your expertise is great for collaboration and productivity.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by musicale on Thursday June 08, 2023 @01:05AM (#36237461)
I almost thought you were serious for a moment.

Sadly cubicles aren't very soundproof or private (but they are still better than open plan for people who need to concentrate or focus.)

University libraries tend to be somewhat open plan, though sometimes with study carrels, and students manage to get work done there. However they also typically quiet environments as well, there are no supervisors walking around, and falling asleep may be socially acceptable. The density might be better in some cases as well.

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by midoridensha on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:35AM (#36238482)
Cubicles obviously aren't soundproof of course, but they're normally made with cloth-covered walls that do a pretty good job of absorbing sound, so offices filled with cubicles tend to be fairly quiet, and conversations don't travel far.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by data_maan on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:56AM (#36238610)
Maybe in Japan...
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by midoridensha on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:25AM (#36238831)
If you think the laws of physics are different in different countries, I can't help you.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by sanitycheck on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:20AM (#36241413)
I think it's a reference to acceptable behaviour in different cultures. Tokyo station in rush hour is surprisingly quiet even though it's a sea of bodies.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by midoridensha on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:24PM (#36251363)
Maybe, but my open-plan office here in Tokyo is much, much noisier than the cubicle farms I used to work in back in the US (back when cubicle farms were the norm).

It's not culture, it's physics. With a room full of a maze of cloth panels (which are specifically designed to absorb sound), sound is absorbed and can't bounce around the room, leading to much lower overall ambient noise levels.

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by rightbyte on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:11AM (#36239510)
You are joking, right? I have had managers saying just this with a straight face so I have to ask ...
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by Thlom on Thursday June 08, 2023 @02:51AM (#36238189)
We have separate offices for different teams (for the most part). Some are just glass walls and no doors (open in one end). Some are not really offices but partly divided by cubicle dividers. I feel that works pretty good. The most important thing is to divide the office up a bit so it's not just a huge open floor with desks.

And then there's "quiet offices" you can use if you need to take a sensitive call or have a quick meeting with 2-3 people.

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by marssaxman on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:26AM (#36237180)
I have found that I am quite content walking 30 minutes to work, while driving 30 minutes to work leaves me feeling miserable.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by WirelessGigabit on Thursday June 08, 2023 @01:02AM (#36237433)
I think that depends.

Used to live in the West Side in Los Angeles. Everything took 30 minutes.

Now I live in North Phoenix. 30 minutes is like... FAR. But it's a real joy to drive.

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by bearmode on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:10AM (#36238719)
If I could walk 30 minutes to work I'd be overjoyed. I'd consider it if my walk took an hour, which is how long my commute often is.
Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by haspok on Thursday June 08, 2023 @05:27AM (#36239231)
Couldn't agree more: I used to cycle 15 mins to the train station, then take the train for 20 mins, then walk for another 10. Then I changed jobs and my commute turned to being 25 mins on the motorway. Which was shorter and more comfortable, yet I kind of hated it; I was so happy when I moved and changed jobs again.

There is something about walking / cycling that makes even the most miserable day at least tolerable. Now my commute is a combined cycle + train journey again, but now I'm cycling through lovely countryside on quiet country roads. I cannot possibly convey how much I appreciate it, I used to be a city boy!

Re:Google doesn’t want employees working remotely anymore by shmel on Thursday June 08, 2023 @05:02AM (#36239065)
I like how not wanting to do complex intellectual work requiring focus in a noisy environment has become a very specific demand.