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Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by ajross on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:25PM (#36221592)
Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff?

Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of that scale. Maybe someone can run a successful assassination once in a while and keep it under wraps for a decade or so, but that's as far as it goes. Lips are too loose and threads are too easy to pull, especially in the internet era.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by mc32 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:28PM (#36221618)
Because military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios.

They might as well also believe the fairy god-mother decides the outcome of battles and direct their ire at her.

This is The National Enquirer-level stuff.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by mrandish on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:43PM (#36221716)
> military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios.

True but that was before we started having idiot legislators in congress willing to throw a few tens of millions at "investigations" by the military. Nothing like easy budget and a cushy assignment for several years to encourage some motivated reasoning. "Hey, if you're payin', I'm investigatin.'"

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by AvocadoPanic on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:27PM (#36222099)
You mean like being on the board of Theranos?
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by mc32 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:39PM (#36222191)
So it's to make money off of suckers? They are swindlers? We're no better than John MacAfee's banana republic low-level bribe seeking government employees.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:38PM (#36222180)
The U.S. Inspector general called the claims "credible and urgent" and congress has planned a hearing on the documents provided to them on said retrieval programs under oath.

This clearly goes well beyond someone simply being mistaken.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by TechBro8615 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:59PM (#36222339)
Wow, nobody has ever lied to congress before! And what are the chances their testimony pops up right after the introduction of a program incentivizing whistleblowers to come forward?
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by admax88qqq on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:15AM (#36223123)
Wouldn't you expect their testimony to pop up after the incentive program independently of it's accuracy or truthfulness?
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by TechBro8615 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:38AM (#36237278)
I wouldn't expect it to be independent of truthfulness. The Cobra Effect [0] suggests that offering a reward for something, in this case public airing of testimony, increases the likelihood of false testimony given the absence of any truthful testimony.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive#The_origina...

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by ajross on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @11:45AM (#36228364)
I'll just say that I regard the chances of the IG and congress being wrong about something as rather higher than that of an extraterrestrial civilization leaving artifacts on earth recovered only by the US Government. I mean, come on. I love alien stuff too but you need to put the bar for proof in a reasonable place, and this isn't it.

My point wasn't that there's a reasonable factual argument here (there clearly isn't) it's that the "reasonable" people jumping in to re-interpret it were also engaging in unfounded conspiracy paranoia (albeit one with a much more plausible hypothesis).

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by getmeinrn on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:49PM (#36222267)
The "omg aliens" media card always seems to get pulled out when there's no $CURRENT_OUTRAGE and people are looking for something. It's like filler content when there's nothing else to rile people up.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by mostlysimilar on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:33PM (#36222518)
Examples?
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by getmeinrn on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:53PM (#36222630)
When was the last time a UFO/aliens story was competing for air time with a major real world news event (disaster, protest, shooting, terrorist, election, etc)?
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by Sunspark on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:39AM (#36222894)
The "balloon shootdowns" during the Ohio toxic chemical train derailment.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by getmeinrn on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:19AM (#36223500)
"UFO/aliens" as in, extraterrestrial spacecraft, X-Files bs
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by jcranmer on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:04AM (#36223055)
Well, the top story right now is a major dam in a war zone having been destroyed. Given that this story is coming out right now... literally right now?
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by getmeinrn on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:21AM (#36223518)
That story is below the fold, as a small subsection on CNN.com. Their current major top story is "New York City’s air pollution among the worst in the world." It's clearly a slow news day.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by GolfPopper on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:54PM (#36222306)
Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1235/
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by aceazzameen on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:28AM (#36222832)
I always write it off as one of two things. People are simply wrong. Or they're lying for fame/money. The 2nd one is easy to spot once you see them on a variety of conspiracy talk shows.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by avgcorrection on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:45AM (#36223310)
It’s another razor (heuristic) like Occam’s Razor.