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Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by valine on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:21AM (#36192230)
It’s a horrible move. When it comes to technology, the kids affected by this will be illiterate compared to their peers.

I graduated college in 2018. Some of my classmates weren’t allowed to use “screens” growing up, and you could tell instantly. They struggled to use google to do basic research, struggled to collaborate in group projects, and were generally a burden to others, constantly needing help with technology.

Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by onion2k on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:34AM (#36192313)
When it comes to technology, the kids affected by this will be illiterate compared to their peers.

My nephew could competently use a phone (use apps, update settings, understand installing things, etc) when he was 6. A 13 year old will be able to catch up in a week.

Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by analog31 on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:32AM (#36192294)
Counterpoint, I grew up without any screens, and am more tech savvy than both of my kids put together. When the technology arrived, I learned programming, word processing, the web, google, and collaboration, with no effort at all. Likewise my siblings and my mom. That stuff just isn't all that hard. It doesn't require an entire childhood spent learning it.
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by gnicholas on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:32AM (#36192293)
I’m curious what skills these pre-teens would miss out on by not having smartphones. They can still use computers, tablets, and dumbphones. And once they’re 14 their parents can decide to let them have a smartphone, so it’s not like they’ll go off to college never having touched a smartphone.
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by easytiger on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:46AM (#36192386)
So you think people born in the 1990s are unable to communicate but at all?
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by valine on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:54AM (#36192454)
Average technical literacy decreases the further back you go. I don’t think that’s controversial.
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by Foobar8568 on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:12AM (#36192586)
Usage of an electronic device, surely, technical literacy, I highly doubt.
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by tedeh on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:44AM (#36192797)
I don't think so. The Home PC generation is way more technically literate than the generation after that grew up with the smartphone, where the elementary interaction has been reduced to just three basic steps that always work: 1) lift and look at phone 2) swipe finger up 3) press the dopamine er - Instagram - button
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by 9dev on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:42AM (#36193175)
Most people born in the nineties and before definitely struggle with computers - maybe not the academics in your circle, but anyone not exposed to or interested in technology.

I spent a while working in tech support for small to medium businesses, and boy, did those people have trouble to understand the basic interaction with their computers. Instead of learning the paradigms and applying them to general situations, they would memorise where on the screen to click, in which order.

You’re uncharitable view of generation Z is pretty much proven wrong if that is your assumption on what you can do on Instagram, though. Looks like a classic „my generation was the last good one, everyone else born after is stupid and lazy!“

Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by easytiger on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:15AM (#36194432)
Someone born in the 90s is now in their 20s-30s.

> what you can do on Instagram,

Lol. Err what can you do on Instagram that is a demonstration of deep technical understanding?

Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by boring_twenties on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:52PM (#36199168)
It seems to be very obviously false from my POV.

Excluding people who are technical, whether by hobby or profession, everyone I know between 35 and 50 or so at least loosely understands things like the difference between a website and a locally executing program, the difference between local and cloud storage, the tradeoff between iOS-style walled gardens and relative openness of Android or PC (whichever side their own personal preferences happen to fall on), the difference between SMS and iMessage, and so on.

People under 30 -- again, excluding programmers, obviously there is no shortage of talented and knowledgeable young people in the industry -- overwhelmingly don't seem to be even capable of understanding any of these things.

Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by oh_sigh on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:24AM (#36192668)
You should really publish a paper on this novel research.
Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by sensanaty on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:17AM (#36194097)
Kids don't even know what a folder is. Hell, college students don't know what folders are. [1]

Smartphones don't teach you anything technical in the slightest, most of them are extremely dumbed down black boxes engineered specifically so the lowest common denominator won't get lost on them.

They'll still have access to laptops & computers and whatnot at home, but kids just don't need smartphones that early on, or at least not ones with unlimited bandwith and access to putrid entities like tiktok and instagram.

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[1] https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-direc...

Re:Parents in Ireland town to voluntarily ban smartphones fo... by basisword on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:06AM (#36197233)
Smartphones teach you very little tech literacy. Get them a desktop computer without internet access and they will learn a tonne more.