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Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by oneplane on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:41PM (#36188828)
Same here. Employers can't even look inside user's mailboxes because there is no guarantee that it doesn't contain anything personal. Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by josefx on Sunday June 04, 2023 @04:51PM (#36189472)
> Even if the company has a rule that you're not allowed to use it for personal things, the law supersedes that and you still can't do it willy nilly.

Companies are not homogeneous blocks of matter and there is always information some people at the company may need to know that others have no business dealing with. Tax, banking and health related information are some of the things that I can think of that would be shared on a need to know basis with people at work and have no business to be seen by people outside of the intended audience.

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by krageon on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:48AM (#36193938)
Health related information may absolutely not be shared, and doesn't need to be.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hef19898 on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:52AM (#36193969)
Employer don't even get diagnosis behind sick leave. Not sure how work accidents are treated in that regard so.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by josefx on Monday June 05, 2023 @09:11AM (#36195692)
Honestly I wasn't sure how much that point applied. However with people that suffer chronic illnesses or disabilities that require special consideration I would be surprised if it was always possible to adequately communicate those needs without also mentioning information that the employee might not want to share publicly.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by krageon on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:13AM (#36209284)
You can communicate special needs (e.g. "do not put this person in a loud room"), but not health information (e.g. "this person has epilepsy"). I struggle to think a special consideration a person could need that you could not just articulate instead of whatever medical issue they have (at least it has never come up for me).
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hbs18 on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:54AM (#36193976)
> Tax, banking and health related information are some of the things that I can think of that would be shared on a need to know basis with people at work and have no business to be seen by people outside of the intended audience.

I am against workplace surveillance, but why would people receive this information to their work email address?

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by Keirmot on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:08AM (#36194056)
Why would HR receive my information?
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hbs18 on Monday June 05, 2023 @09:01AM (#36195598)
My bad, I misunderstood the above comment.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by bennyelv on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:15AM (#36193008)
I don't think this is correct - even under the GDPR. If the company has good reason to look inside someone's mailbox (I don't think the bar for that is particularly high for a company email account) then any personal data they encounter would be being processed under "legitimate interest" as long as they don't do anything unnecessary with it in order to achieve whatever it was they were doing.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hef19898 on Monday June 05, 2023 @03:12AM (#36193396)
Tue bar is actually quite high. Teo things can block it: if there is a workers council, it has to approve surveillance of an employees use of IT systems. That surveillance can only be target to specific, named users and for specific purposes, almost like a mini search warrant. If there is no workers council, at the latest stage a court will have a very, very close look at what isbpresented as evidence. The middle ground is an affected employee's lawyer and the employer. Result being, that kind of comms / IT surveillance is basically never happeneing. Which is a very, very good thing!
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by bennyelv on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:30AM (#36194162)
You need to be specific about what legal jurisdiction you're talking about here then - the world is a very big place and different laws apply.

I'm not aware of any EU wide laws that prevent what you're talking about here. In the UK an employment contract will state that the employer can monitor your activity if they need to and this is completely legal.

Source: https://www.gov.uk/monitoring-work-workers-rights

In some countries (Germany springs to mind) there are much stricter rules. A blanket statement like the one you've made here is not correct unless you're being very specific about where you're talking about.

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hef19898 on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:12AM (#36194408)
Germany it is, should have mentioned that.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by abwizz on Monday June 05, 2023 @03:38AM (#36193583)
this was way before gdpr. more like employee rights. employer cant just come by and snoop throu your drawers either.