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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by tlogan on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:10PM (#36170112)
Sadly, I think the problem is much simpler: corruption. Given that California is essentially governed by a single party, it is subject to corruption and inefficiency.

Lets take just example from this week: an announcement was made stating that the construction of a tiny house costs $1,600 per square foot [1]. All I can say is this: somebody is pocketing this money. I don't know who, how, or why. Regardless, it's clear that this money is going to someone, and that someone is not homeless.

[1] https://sfstandard.com/housing-development/a-builder-convert...

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by luma on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:29PM (#36170333)
This parses as "I don't know what's wrong but I know it's the Democrats" which isn't exactly insightful nor helpful.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by AbrahamParangi on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:36PM (#36170427)
Well, responsibility is what you get when you're in charge. It's axiomatically correct even if it isn't necessarily helpful (in the sense that there's no guarantee that a counterfactual republican California would have done any better).
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by tlogan on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:32PM (#36170370)
I do not think it is Democrat. It think it is because it is one party state.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by ARandomerDude on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:45PM (#36170524)
Exactly. As much as Republicans and Democrats may not want to admit it, we need each other for accountability.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by dragonwriter on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:27PM (#36170972)
We need viable political choices with incentives to compete on something other than alienating voters who would be expected to vote for the other side for accountability (which mostly means we need proportional representation.)

That is not the same as needing the opposing party in America’s duopolistic system.

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by kmonsen on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:38PM (#36170466)
This is my fear for the country as well as the republicans are (in my opinion you can disagree) at the very least partially going crazy. We desperately need at least two parties working for a good government. California needs more checks and balances, and so does the country.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by tlogan on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:46PM (#36170533)
I 100% agree. If you want to run for office here is San Francisco you need to be democrat. Which means that you need to be very nice to people which you know they are not good.

On the other hand one really cannot be republican because of things like this: https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/article/anti-trans-repub...

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by yellowapple on Friday June 02, 2023 @04:55PM (#36170628)
> Given that California is essentially governed by a single party

Not really, no - unless you mean in the sense that the Republicans and Democrats are controlled opposition for one another, in which case sure, but that's true nationwide.

> All I can say is this: somebody is pocketing this money. I don't know who, how, or why.

Who: landowners.

How: by artificially capping property taxes and pushing the burden onto the working class via income and sales taxes, and then using rent to capture money that should be going to said working class via wages and welfare.

Why: because they have a vested interest in doing so, and have the political influence to make it happen.

Solution: abolish sales/income tax, replace with 100% land value tax, disburse surplus as UBI. Would solve the vast majority of California's socioeconomic problems pretty much overnight.

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:53PM (#36171280)
LVT probably wouldn't be enough to fund the government at this point, and it's regressive. Throw in some 0% base rate progressive income taxes, pigouvian taxes, maybe a small vat and you're on the right track.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by yellowapple on Friday June 02, 2023 @07:17PM (#36172062)
> LVT probably wouldn't be enough to fund the government at this point

The government could and should be pared down considerably if that's the case.

> and it's regressive

It's the literal opposite of regressive, especially when paired with UBI. The tax burden rests entirely on landowners, who already skew toward wealth; ownership of land value correlates strongly with net worth (and is indeed typically a major component of said net worth).

Meanwhile:

> VAT

That's just a fancy sales tax, with all the regression that entails. Bear in mind that the working class is spending a much greater proportion of its wealth on the very goods VAT taxes than the ownership class - which means VAT has in turn a disproportionate impact on the working class v. the ownership class.

With LVT, it's the other way around: the vast majority of people who actually work for a living either don't own any land value at all (and therefore ain't subject to LVT) or own sufficiently little land value for their tax burden to be less under LVT-as-single-tax than it would be under a system funded by income and sales taxes.

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Sunday June 04, 2023 @12:00PM (#36186637)
Most Americans own their home. Most wealthy do not have their wealth in land. LVT would mostly fall on middle class homeowners, not the wealthy.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by yellowapple on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:40AM (#36193160)
> Most Americans own their home

Yes, but the vast majority of that equity is in the house itself, not in the land underneath it. On top of that, land in the suburbs is not as valuable as, say, land in Downtown (which is a big part of why the house itself is most of the value of a typical home).

> Most wealthy do not have their wealth in land.

Maybe not directly, but indirectly the vast majority of their wealth boils down to land. Every skyscraper, every warehouse, every factory, every mall, all those consume large swaths of typically-valuable land. In short:

> LVT would mostly fall on middle class homeowners, not the wealthy.

It would mostly fall on whomever owns the most land value - and that is overwhelmingly massive corporations and rich people. A middle class homeowner owns a tiny amount of land value in comparison - certainly far below their equal share, and therein lies the rub: 100% LVT disbursed directly, evenly, and entirely as UBI serves as a self-balancing system:

- If you own less land value than your equal share, you're paid for it

- If you own more land value than your equal share, you pay for it

Homeowners in California largely own less than their equal share of California's total land value; unless you own a single-family home in Downtown SF or something, you're highly likely to come out ahead under LVT+UBI. The lion's share of land value ownership is corporate - and it's accordingly that lion's share that would bear the vast majority of LVT.

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by ajmurmann on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:58PM (#36171336)
How much of the cost was just the process of getting all the permits? Looking at this crazy toilet in SF that cost $1.25m after the toilet itself was donated: https://abc7news.com/sf-bathrooms-noe-valley-public-toilet-1...