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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:53PM (#36171280)
LVT probably wouldn't be enough to fund the government at this point, and it's regressive. Throw in some 0% base rate progressive income taxes, pigouvian taxes, maybe a small vat and you're on the right track.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by yellowapple on Friday June 02, 2023 @07:17PM (#36172062)
> LVT probably wouldn't be enough to fund the government at this point

The government could and should be pared down considerably if that's the case.

> and it's regressive

It's the literal opposite of regressive, especially when paired with UBI. The tax burden rests entirely on landowners, who already skew toward wealth; ownership of land value correlates strongly with net worth (and is indeed typically a major component of said net worth).

Meanwhile:

> VAT

That's just a fancy sales tax, with all the regression that entails. Bear in mind that the working class is spending a much greater proportion of its wealth on the very goods VAT taxes than the ownership class - which means VAT has in turn a disproportionate impact on the working class v. the ownership class.

With LVT, it's the other way around: the vast majority of people who actually work for a living either don't own any land value at all (and therefore ain't subject to LVT) or own sufficiently little land value for their tax burden to be less under LVT-as-single-tax than it would be under a system funded by income and sales taxes.

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Sunday June 04, 2023 @12:00PM (#36186637)
Most Americans own their home. Most wealthy do not have their wealth in land. LVT would mostly fall on middle class homeowners, not the wealthy.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by yellowapple on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:40AM (#36193160)
> Most Americans own their home

Yes, but the vast majority of that equity is in the house itself, not in the land underneath it. On top of that, land in the suburbs is not as valuable as, say, land in Downtown (which is a big part of why the house itself is most of the value of a typical home).

> Most wealthy do not have their wealth in land.

Maybe not directly, but indirectly the vast majority of their wealth boils down to land. Every skyscraper, every warehouse, every factory, every mall, all those consume large swaths of typically-valuable land. In short:

> LVT would mostly fall on middle class homeowners, not the wealthy.

It would mostly fall on whomever owns the most land value - and that is overwhelmingly massive corporations and rich people. A middle class homeowner owns a tiny amount of land value in comparison - certainly far below their equal share, and therein lies the rub: 100% LVT disbursed directly, evenly, and entirely as UBI serves as a self-balancing system:

- If you own less land value than your equal share, you're paid for it

- If you own more land value than your equal share, you pay for it

Homeowners in California largely own less than their equal share of California's total land value; unless you own a single-family home in Downtown SF or something, you're highly likely to come out ahead under LVT+UBI. The lion's share of land value ownership is corporate - and it's accordingly that lion's share that would bear the vast majority of LVT.