I think "pronouns" is ok but, yeah, "AI bros" is enough to get a pass from me to. Holier-than-thou name calling is still name calling.
There are a lot of AI-bros on twitter.
Re:Statement on AI Risk
by mitthrowaway2 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:28PM
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Do they self-identify as AI bros? Or are you just choosing to call them that?
Odd that you lump a person's choice of their own pronouns into a legitimate complaint that all she seems to have is prejudice and ad hominems.
I have no issue with her choice of pronouns. I just find it odd that she states them when ~100% of the population would infer them correctly from her name Emily (and picture). My guess is she put them there for "ideology signaling".
Re:Statement on AI Risk
by mrtranscendence on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @01:06PM
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This is unnecessarily cynical. Why should people who are androgynous or trans be the only ones who state pronouns? By creating a norm around it we can improve their comfort at extremely minimal cost to ourselves.
I disagree, but HN is probably not the right place for this kind of debate. Also, it seems that you don't follow your own recommendation (on HN at least).
They brought it upon themselves by indulging in sex mimicry. It's not the responsibility of anyone else to mitigate this.
And it's not necessarily a good thing to normalise wrong-sex pronouns, see e.g. https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/
> My guess is she put them there for ideological signaling.
Yes, and you attacking her for that choice is also ideological signaling. This isn't a case where one choice is totally devoid of signal and the other is pejorative-of-the-day.
Many people believe that using normative pronouns makes those who use different pronouns more comfortable. They may be right, wrong, misguided, whatever. But it's a well-meaning and harmless act, and extremely strange to mention in the same breath as overt racism.
Reads like a caricature of the people leading these causes on AI safety. Folks that are obsessed with the current moral panic to the extent that they will never let a moment go by without injecting their ideology. These people should not be around anything resembling AI safety or "ethics".
Re:Statement on AI Risk
by hackermatic on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:52PM
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It sounds like you're making an ad hominem about her ad hominems.
- Pronouns
- "AI bros"
- "mansplaining"
- "extinction from capitalism"
- "white supremacy"
- "one old white guy" (referring to Geoffrey Hinton)
Yeah... I think I will pass.