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Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:38PM (#36097523)
Taxation is highly dependent on location and personal factors (single income vs double income household) and other factors that are irrelevant in this context.

Also "benefits" in the American sense aren't really a thing in the EU.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:42PM (#36097567)
Taxation is kinda relevant because there can be huge differences between countries which translate to what you take home.

For example 80k might sounds good in one country but after tax you might take home less than if you made just 60k in another country.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:44PM (#36097585)
True, but I'm not sure how you'd reflect something like that here tbh.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by Yujf on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:44PM (#36097582)
I don't know "the american sense", but benfits are definetely a thing in Belgium. I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by akavi on Saturday May 27, 2023 @03:54PM (#36097662)
I assume that cars are not seen as a taxable benefit in Belgium?
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by dukeyukey on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:00PM (#36097707)
Private health insurance is taxable in the UK but every non-intern tech job I've had has had it as a benefit.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by akavi on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:24PM (#36097948)
Interesting. Curious if that's cultural influence from the US (where it isn't taxable)
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by jonasdegendt on Saturday May 27, 2023 @05:02PM (#36098282)
It is but at a hilariously cheap rate. It’s pennies on the dollar (or euro, in this case) compared to owning a car outright.

It’s a fringe benefit that was invented in order to enable employers to sweeten the pay package without having to straight up pay more, and respectively pay a lot more taxes.

We’ve a large bunch of these tax efficient fringe benefits in Belgium but the company car is by far the one that provides the most value.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by Hamuko on Saturday May 27, 2023 @05:19PM (#36098430)
https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-company-car-conundru...

>Of the 6 million cars on Belgian roads, about 10 percent are company cars.

>Even a first job often comes with a car, and most employees also get unlimited fuel cards.

That sounds fucking crazy.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by photonbeam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:18PM (#36098950)
My dad had an unlimited fuel card for a company car, everyone used that car frivolously
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by Yujf on Sunday May 28, 2023 @11:10AM (#36104668)
Yup, so Belgium has a lot of weird things like that, but it's really hard to take it away since it's such an important part of salary for many people and taxation is really high so most people are very opposed to losing benefits like this.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:02PM (#36097728)
I was referring to healthcare which constitutes the bulk of benefits in the US.

Also PTO is more regulated in the EU than it is in the US.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by cscurmudgeon on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:21PM (#36097925)
> constitutes the bulk of benefits in the US.

What? What do you mean by bulk?

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:31PM (#36098002)
As in healthcare is very expensive over there and that most of it is tied to the employer.

I'm not sure what you're asking here.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by cscurmudgeon on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:06PM (#36099324)
It is expensive but salaries are also higher. Most people pay a few hundred at max per month on several thousand dollars of salary.

I am not sure what you mean by saying "constitutes the bulk of benefits in the US"

https://www.statista.com/statistics/631987/percent-of-income...

Do you mean outside of plain salary, medical benefits are the highest?

I think that may be more correct.

But even that may not be universally true. For folks in software, at least matching retirement benefits will outweigh medical benefits

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:23PM (#36099430)
Yes, I'm not counting the salary as a benefit.

I'm not really familiar with US pension plans so I stand corrected.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by Yujf on Sunday May 28, 2023 @11:07AM (#36104640)
Yeah healthcare is for sure better in EU and so less of a benefit, but I still get additional insurance through my company and most white collar jobs do. It's for the extra costs of hospitalisation such as upcharges for a single room and other costs general health care doesn't cover.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by Hamuko on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:06PM (#36097751)
I've never heard of an engineer getting a company car in Finland. People mostly just get a phone plan and some sports and culture vouchers.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:31PM (#36098007)
That is also my experience in Germany, minus the phone plan.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by nerbert on Saturday May 27, 2023 @04:59PM (#36098256)
Doesn't 60% of Belgium get company cars? Not something related to engineering, it's one of the basic perks a lot of people get.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by jonasdegendt on Saturday May 27, 2023 @05:05PM (#36098303)
No, it’s definitely still a mostly white collar type job benefit, and about 14% of working people get a company car.

This translates to about half a million company cars.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by cscurmudgeon on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:07PM (#36099334)
> I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.

Honest question: How useful is when we frequently hear that Europe doesn't use cars as much as in the US? I can't fathom someone in a major European city finding much use for a car.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by shjake on Sunday May 28, 2023 @03:21AM (#36101882)
That’s more of a stereotype which is really only accurate in some cities and even there usually only in the center areas/old towns.

50%+ of all Europeans who live in urban areas commute by car*

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by Yujf on Sunday May 28, 2023 @11:13AM (#36104712)
Very usefull. Many people live outside the city centers (which are very small in Belgium) and use cars to commute.

Public transport is relatively good within a city, but if you come from outside the city it can get really bad. 20 min by car can be 1 hour by bus for example.

Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by carom on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:36PM (#36099099)
Pretty sure a month or two of vacation is common in the EU.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by mahmoudhossam on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:42PM (#36099141)
Only those aren't benefits, they're basic rights protected by law.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by shjake on Sunday May 28, 2023 @03:08AM (#36101822)
Are they, though? The legal minimum in most EU states is just 20 work days which isn’t even a full month.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @01:54AM (#36101545)
It's not anywhere I lived. Now I have 25 days per year with up to 32 is the max I've seen.
Re:Europe data salary benchmark 2023 by shjake on Sunday May 28, 2023 @03:10AM (#36101834)
Comparing anything but the total cost for employer (salary + taxes they pay + benefits) doesn’t make that much sense.