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Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by andsoitis on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:48AM (#36058013)
> the serfs

While you're arguing class warfare, I think it is worth asking whether the "serfs" (dictionary: "an agricultural laborer bound under the feudal system to work on their lord's estate") at Meta are working on things that improve society... Isn't the typical developer at Meta making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year making systems that are destructive to the social fabric and cohesion of society?

Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by Arkhaine_kupo on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:55AM (#36058118)
> Isn't the typical developer at Meta making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year making systems that are destructive to the social fabric and cohesion of society?

Tons of farmers supplied the compost that Haber-Bosch used to perfect their way of making amonia, later used to make hydrogen cyanide (a pesticide later used in late 30s germany for non farming purposes)

You can be a serf and be a necesary cog in a machine for destructive purposes.

The hundreds of thousands of dollars a year still keeps those devs much closer to a homeless person than to any single Billionaire. A rich serf, is still a serf.

Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by andsoitis on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:23AM (#36058523)
> A rich serf, is still a serf.

I hate to be argumentative, but you really need to educate yourself on serfdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by ausbah on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:33AM (#36058704)
I think you're missing the point bad analogy aside
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by enriquec on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:45AM (#36058854)
I think the point is wrong and hilariously melodramatic.
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by Arkhaine_kupo on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:47AM (#36058883)
> I hate to be argumentative

You aren't, thats a nitpick not an argument

> you really need to educate yourself on serfdom

Sure, I could make a long explanation about middle engalnd feudal titles and how despite our modern conception of most poor people as serfs, a middle class of Franklin existed, that comprised the kind of freemason associations that now still exist in the City of London as Guilds, although most are currently NGOs and charities some still work on their original mission.

Or I could use serf as "non ruling class" following the comment I replied to, because that is how OP used it. Although technically he probably meant peasant as that was the class which no land whether serf or just labourers, I understood what he meant and replied tongue in cheekly about how some farming chemist aided the nazis, I say tongue in cheek because I made the farming connection to serfs

Hopefully the analogy works for you now that is being laid out.

Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by dnadler on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:51AM (#36058063)
On the other hand, the open source work done by meta has been instrumental in advancing many technologies and techniques. Machine learning via PyTorch being a prime example.
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by ricardobeat on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:53AM (#36058086)
The jury is still out on that one…
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by BaculumMeumEst on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:58AM (#36058153)
On whether they’ve been instrumental on advancing machine learning, or on whether that’s a good thing?
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by strivax on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:18AM (#36058439)
They have definitely contributed a lot to advancing machine learning. I believe the above comment means we don't know whether advancing AI will have sour consequences for society down the line
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by BaculumMeumEst on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @11:32AM (#36059517)
I mean maybe, but it’s already having positive effects today. It’s advanced the state of the art for cancer diagnostics and is advancing novel treatments, for example.

So far, the arguments against that I’ve seen have been hypotheticals and boogeymen.

Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by jacooper on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:01AM (#36058205)
Its not open source. Its source available.
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by jensgk on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:12AM (#36058348)
PyTorch has a BSD license, so should be genuine OSI Open Source.
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by touisteur on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @11:06AM (#36059176)
And zstandard, io_uring are from Facebook too, right?
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by mdgrech23 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @10:14AM (#36058380)
Worth pointing out there are a lot of predatory practices around contract workers holding visas. I don't work at Meta so I have no idea if that's happening there but I have seen it at others places.
Re:Meta has started its latest round of layoffs, focusing on... by apercu on Thursday May 25, 2023 @03:10PM (#36074765)
I guess I could have been more clear that I wasn't talking specifically about Meta.

But, looking at this another way, when you make an example of a highly compensated, in demand worker (like a senior SW engineer), what message does that send to everyone else without the same qualifications?