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Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by dotcoma on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:18AM (#36020129)
Which country, or group of countries, will try to make Linux for the masses, or at least for their government and public servants, a reality -- and when?

Is it going to be India? The EU? Brazil? Nigeria?

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by viraptor on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:40AM (#36020285)
Germany experimented with OpenOffice a few times, which is a related problem. DPRK had (has?) Red Star OS. Russia has Astra Linux for gov / army use.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by timbit42 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @04:55PM (#36024603)
Have they tried LibreOffice? It seems to have a lot more updates since the split from OpenOffice.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by pjmlp on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:34AM (#36020238)
The only thing that will make it, is the increase of nationalism, which will make FOSS OSes the only option that is somehow free from USA influence.

Other than that, I keep reading about the big Linux exodus for the last 20 years, myself I have given up for the Apple, Google and Microsoft controlled ecosystems, after having emails with a signature that used to have M$ on it, and having been a Linux Journal subscriber for the lifetime of its printed existence.

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by dartharva on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:27AM (#36020199)
Linux is already widely used in govt and public servant computers. It's easy to do that, but to do it "for the masses" is an entirely different game.

To this day, laptop and desktop computers "for the masses" exist almost solely for office work and gaming. Windows and Microsoft products are too ingrained in both use cases, so it will take a herculean effort in changing software standards and platforms for app vendors to consider Linux.

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by dotcoma on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:29AM (#36020209)
I'm sure it's going to take a herculean effort, but hight time somebody took on the challenge.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by brookst on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:55AM (#36020419)
Please keep us posted on your progress!
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by dotcoma on Thursday May 25, 2023 @10:21PM (#36078994)
I am a lurker, not a programmer. Sorry.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by pydry on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:31AM (#36020223)
The effort required is mainly in preventing Microsoft from subtly pressuring OEMs to either not offer Linux or to cripple their offerings.

The year of the Linux desktop ought to have started with the netbook craze of 2007 but Microsoft's nuclear response to that (free windows licenses, ordering OEMs to cap netbook RAM at 2GB) successfully choked that market segment in its sleep.

There are, unfortunately, an awful lot of ways Microsoft can still subtly bring legally deniable pressure to bear on OEMs and antitrust enforcement in America is a joke anyhow.

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by revelio on Sunday May 21, 2023 @03:22PM (#36023944)
Chromebooks managed it, made by OEMs. The issue with Linux is pervasively user-hostile design in the name of GNU ideology, not Microsoft
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by maven29 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:26AM (#36020194)
Just issue Chromebooks for the 90 percent if most of the work happens in webapps?
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by jruohonen on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:29AM (#36020205)
Even worse spyware.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by hutzlibu on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:37AM (#36020268)
But with very polished drivers and firmware underneath.

Untying it from google is quite hard, though.

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by maven29 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:49AM (#36020369)
Enjoy implementing the legal and compliance requirements yourself on linux, then. We live in a society, after all. Enterprise chromebooks are not a consumer product, they are beholden to an entirely different terms of service.

You can either have the desktop linux that is proven to work as a drop-in replacement, or you can have the lab rat version that only works out in engineering orgs.

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by 47thpresident on Sunday May 21, 2023 @09:09AM (#36020518)
I remember that the Kerala government (southern state in India) deployed an ubuntu-based operating system on 200,000 laptops in government-funded schools in 2021. Turns out they saved an estimated $360,000 compared to Windows/ChromeOS offerings.

https://www.onmanorama.com/career-and-campus/top-news/2021/0...

Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by iLoveOncall on Sunday May 21, 2023 @09:21AM (#36020590)
So using Linux over Windows saves only $1.8 per user? If anything that makes an amazing selling point for Windows.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by 47thpresident on Sunday May 21, 2023 @10:41AM (#36021392)
$1.80 doesn't sound like a lot in the US, but I'm sure the government would want to spend the savings on teacher salaries and equipment rather than on trivial Windows licenses - especially in developing countries where every dollar counts.
Re:Windows 11 is so broken that even Microsoft can’t fix it by Incipient on Monday May 22, 2023 @02:08PM (#36034642)
These types of broad summaries at least often fail to talk about the cost of support, education, and interoperability.

Eg xrdp is a huge productivity hit at best, but honestly not viable at all.