Im not sure honestly and don't care.

The way things were handled created -many- new vaccine sceptics and that will have a lasting impact for many years to come.

When you tell people their concerns of a specific vaccine are invalid and then claim they are anti-vaccine, you are lying. Why would anyone paying attention then trust you?

Also, some high ranking politicians are on record stating they wouldn't take a vaccine if it was created while Trump was president. Nobody ia dismissing their entire campaign based on these statements.

Thanks for picking one point of my long post and ignoring the other points btw.

> Im not sure

Because its not true.

My understanding is that he's been anti-MMR since long before COVID and that's a big part of what most people mean when they're concerned that someone is "antivax" - at least those with a memory that goes back more than 5 minutes.

So he is against specific vaccines but not all vaccines.

Against specific vaccines opposition to which has been leading to measles outbreaks. I think counting that against him is important, and again it's usually what people have meant when they've said "antivax" before COVID.

He believes the net harm from the MMR vaccines is greater than the net harm from measles, and has provided the data to back this up.

And that belief is a concern if he is wrong. AFAIK, he is wrong, so I am concerned. AFAICT his "data" is the same fabricated "MMR causes autism" data as the other anti-vaxers. If you know of something he's been pushing that's not downstream of Wakefield (or even evidence of his meaningfully revising his opinion around the Lancet's retraction) I'll give it consideration, but there's a limit to how many times I'm interested in relitigating the same questions without meaningful new data.

If someone is claiming "concerns" about vaccines for >15 years and is regularly found lying, what else should you call them? Because he hasn't just had "a problem with a specific vaccine".

What was he found to be lying about?

> What was he found to be lying about?

Pretty much everything he’s ever said about any vaccine, but in another branch of this thread I’ve done a short list of some of his more recent lies about COVID-19 vaccines, MMR vaccines, tetanus vaccines, and flu vaccines. (Perhaps the star of that list being the lie about MMR vaccines used to discourage black people from taking COVID-19 vaccines.)

Which all also underlines that the claim that he is against “a specific vaccine” is…not accurate.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36017401