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Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by jonhohle on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:37AM (#36012276)
That flows with what I’ve said: rules for thee and not for me. As a private citizen my city, county, state, or federal enforcement agencies would have no issue charging me and putting their best effort toward conviction and sentencing. Meanwhile when those same agencies have very public crimes within their ranks abusing the power they’ve been given, nothing happens.

How did New York deal with crime in the late 90s? Not by ignoring it.

Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by hotpotamus on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:12AM (#36012570)
> those same agencies have very public crimes within their ranks

Do you think the problem is too much transparency? To use your example of the NYPD in the 90's (though I think you've probably got the wrong part of the decade if you're looking for the high water mark of crime), was it notably less corrupt than it is today, or was it just more opaque?

But how did the NYPD deal with crime in the 90's? Wasn't it by the kinds of privacy abuses called out in this report? By shaking down suspected criminals through stop and frisk?

Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by jonhohle on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:34AM (#36012774)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

Violent crime in NYC dropped precipitously with the “Broken Windows” style of law enforcement during Giuliani’s terms as mayor (1994-2002). The advertised theory was to enforce even small crimes like property owners leaving broken windows unrepaired. Hypothetically, the expectation that laws are being enforced makes people more likely to obey laws at all levels. (jokingly: or maybe people were so busy coming into compliance that they ran out of time for murder.)

There’s obviously debate, criticism, etc., regarding the cause but the theory has been applied to programming among other places with some success.

Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by hotpotamus on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:42AM (#36012843)
Do you think the widespread inability to enforce mask mandates might have lessened peoples' likelihood to obey laws at all levels? Seems a bit analogous to broken windows, no? And timely.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by koolba on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:23PM (#36013228)
Are you comparing a useless gesture of compliance to theft or willful property damage?
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by hotpotamus on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:49PM (#36013482)
The example given was property owners complying with covering broken windows, wasn’t it? Does that seem like a useful gesture of compliance? I believe the idea is more that it sets an example of compliance with authority, but I agree that the whole concepts seems a bit questionable to me.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by pfffr on Saturday May 20, 2023 @04:51PM (#36015492)
How were mask mandates useless? The data is in and they did help prevent spread of infection.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by onlypositive on Saturday May 20, 2023 @05:38PM (#36015853)
No they didn't.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by onlypositive on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:55PM (#36017627)
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by csomar on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:21PM (#36017138)
Do you have any serious and confirmed study of such a thing? So far it doesn't seem that there is any consensus whether masks are useful or just completely useless.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by dllthomas on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:16PM (#36014255)
The strongest criticism I have seen of a causal link is a claim that violent crime dropped similarly during that period in regions that did not adopt a similar strategy.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by webinvest on Monday May 22, 2023 @08:37PM (#36038453)
Somewhere in the book Freakonomics, a study mentioned that crime dropped precipitously in New York because abortion was legalized about 18 years before.
Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by asveikau on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:31AM (#36012745)
> How did New York deal with crime in the late 90s? Not by ignoring it.

Actually, pretty much yes, or at least, that would have been a better strategy than some Giuliani BS.

Crime declined nation wide, and it had nothing to do with any local policies. My favorite theory is that leaded gasoline was causing crime spikes. But there are competing theories, and I think people have concluded that it isn't a single factor.

Re:FBI Misused Spy Database, FISA Court Says by hindsightbias on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:05PM (#36013057)
Everytime I went to NYC I was told to never approach NYPD if I was in trouble.

One coworker was mugged and beaten. Walked up to cops. They told him if he wasn’t gone in 30 seconds they’d take him in on a PI.

Crime doesn’t exist if it’s unreportable.