News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by 29athrowaway on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:57AM (#36002006)
If you don't give them something to do they get bored and start dominating and injuring each other.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by CuriouslyC on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:07AM (#36002135)
If you don't give them something to do most of them watch TV, exercise and play cards all day. The work is intended to be punitive, because people can't stomach the idea of criminals having such easy lives.

Alternatively, we could provide more counseling, life-skills coaching and vocational education while treating them like human beings for a comparable cost to the taxpayer, and greatly reduce recidivism rates. That would eliminate a source of cheap labor benefitting political cronies and limit their ability to posture about being "tough" on crime though, so not gonna happen.

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by iinnPP on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:48AM (#36002622)
The work is meant to give them a routine and responsibilities. As they would have outside of the prison. Many prisons have the option to forego work and pursue education as well. I'm sure some prisons are not like this, but not all.

As others have pointed out, targetting recidivism rates would probably be the best way to tackle this problem. This means things like not allowing for discrimination on employment opportunities, a right to be forgotten, among other things.

Getting out of prison and being unable to secure a job is a huge problem. Of course they will go back to crime. It's not like going to a medium or low security prison is anything more than adult summer camp anyway.

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by avgcorrection on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:32AM (#36003141)
> The work is meant to give them a routine and responsibilities.

Volunteer, not-for-profit work. Ban for-profit prison labor.

Put that proposal forward and see how long it takes to get lobbied out of oblivion.

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by CuriouslyC on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:06AM (#36002833)
Most prisons bait people into work via a combination of carrot and stick. Prisoners often lose privileges when they don't work, parole boards look very unfavorably on declining to work, and many prisons force prisoners to buy basic things like toothpaste and deodorant from a commissary out of their wages. Not working is not a reasonable option in the majority of cases.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by iinnPP on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:32AM (#36003132)
Sounds like life in general frankly. There's also typically a heavy religious influence within prisons including helping people out with necessities. It's complicated.

That's not to say it is perfect by any means. I have friends who have been to prison that form my opinion and what impacts them most is not the prison but the society around them when they leave. They get passed over for jobs and end up on social assistance, social housing (when your rent cap is $376 and average rent is $1200 for a bachelor and your basic needs amount to $300 assuming you get some special diet).