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Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by XorNot on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:31AM (#36001720)
Into the ocean.

The ocean covers the majority of the Earth's surface. The ocean is full of salt.

Water which rains out over the oceans is unusable as drinking or irrigation water without expensive processing (desalination).

If historic rainfall patterns change, there is absolutely no requirement that the rain land anywhere useful for our existing infrastructure or human habitation.

Yes, the water won't disappear, but if the effect is rainfall hits the ocean, or say, flood-prone regions even harder then it normally does, it's still going to be coming down somewhere not useful to us.

The problem is not that we can't solve these problems, it's that is is staggeringly expensive to do so.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by phpisthebest on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:42AM (#36001853)
>>it's that is is staggeringly expensive to do so.

Necessity is the mother of all invention, and with Necessity also comes scale, and with scale comes less cost...

Desalination has been expensive because it is not necessary, the second it becomes necessary I bet you will see the costs drop..

If nestle had to use Sea water to fill their bottles I bet they would have a cheap way to do it right quick

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by nathan_compton on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:03AM (#36002075)
I think many of us working in software can be overconfident about how easy it is to scale things, probably because of the peculiar progress in the improvement of integrated circuits and the commensurate increased availability of raw compute for not that much more energy. But many processes (including desalinization, as far as I understand it) are energy bound. It is really hard to make exponential progress when a process is bound by how much energy you can muster up to put into it. That is why rockets haven't had an exponential increase in the amount of weight they can get into orbit in the last 100 years. With gravity you must pay the piper.

I doubt scaling desalinization is as hard as hurling stuff into space, but it may not be easy to scale either. There are plenty of places on earth which are very dry, adjacent to salt water, and extremely rich and yet no great desalinization technologies have come from them.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by MandieD on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:12PM (#36004388)
I think many of us working in software can be overconfident about how easy it is to scale things, probably because of the peculiar progress in the improvement of integrated circuits and the commensurate increased availability of raw compute for not that much more energy.

You may have neatly (and politely) pinned down why we computer folks are so arrogant about how easy problems outside our direct field would be to solve, if only we were the ones “allowed” to solve them.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by XorNot on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:41AM (#36002552)
> If nestle had to use Sea water to fill their bottles I bet they would have a cheap way to do it right quick

Why? Nestle just passes the cost on to the consumer, because where else are they gonna go?

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by excalibur on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:57AM (#36001999)
> If nestle had to use Sea water to fill their bottles I bet they would have a cheap way to do it right quick

Make it so.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by dghlsakjg on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:47AM (#36003307)
There’s the rules of physics to consider.

There are more than a few places where desalination is necessary, and we still haven’t come up with a way to make it cheap.

The current issue is that there is just no way that we know of to reliably desalinate that isn’t super energy intensive, so it comes down to trading energy for water. That’s why desalination is expensive.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by hnfong on Saturday May 20, 2023 @08:36AM (#36011410)
It seems that solar energy has gotten real cheap in recent years, especially in places without clouds and rain (deserts).

So maybe that will work out in the end if the economics make water expensive enough to trade energy for water.

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by HPsquared on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:21AM (#36002331)
Not staggeringly expensive, about 38 cents per day per person, apparently:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination#Costs

Although that doesn't include irrigation..

EDIT: can even be economical for irrigation in some circumstances: https://www.fluencecorp.com/desalination-and-agriculture-les...

Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by XorNot on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:40AM (#36002533)
Kind of leaving out the main point there. People don't use a lot of water. Industry and Farming do. We depend on both of those for...pretty much our entire society.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by HPsquared on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:02AM (#36002795)
Water-intensive industrial processes can move to where the water is. Farming is more of a challenge but some crops need more water than others; there's a lot of scope for substitution.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by mrguyorama on Friday May 19, 2023 @02:28PM (#36005249)
Yeah maybe someday we can stop growing all our produce in the damn desert just because the weather was slightly more profitable.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by XorNot on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:35PM (#36008898)
Because all of that's going to be cheap right? In a nation which loses its mind even gas prices go up 20c?
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by bombcar on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:37AM (#36003184)
People use water directly and indirectly. And water is "used" and "used" - it's not as simple as measuring a pipe, you need to know where it goes.
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by PeterisP on Friday May 19, 2023 @02:32PM (#36005306)
Something like 600 million people live below the poverty line, which with current inflation is at $2.15 per day; so for them a 38 cent per day rate means diverting almost 20% of their income just on water. For comparison, that's a much larger share than what USA residents spend on food (~13% of their income).
Re:Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water... by HPsquared on Friday May 19, 2023 @04:38PM (#36006599)
The figures assume a US citizen level of water consumption, someone on $2 a day would use much less than this.