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Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by jarym on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:26AM (#35989332)
And 3 million depend on food banks. Things are getting tough for lots of people and that's with extremely high levels of employment. Not sure this will go well if there is a recession that causes the jobless rate to increase.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by yazzku on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:46AM (#35989665)
> Things are getting tough for lots of people and that's with extremely high levels of employment.

Capitalism has succeeded then.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by spir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:39PM (#35990527)
Let reddit handle the economic ignorance. Capitalism has succeeded, that's why we're talking to each other with magic machines, I have milk in my fridge, and Walmart exists.

Rising inequality is a natural consequence of globalization, AI, robotics, software, and other technologies that tend towards winner-take-all.

That rising inequality is leading to poverty is a failure of government, not corporations or capitalism. Why introduce a layer of indirection by blaming the rich or corporations, when the rules are made by government? Blame the government directly.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by yoyohello13 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:52PM (#35990749)
With lobbying, campaign financing, and regulatory capture, the rich and corporations effectively are the government.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by popinman322 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:53PM (#35991633)
> That rising inequality is leading to poverty is a failure of government, not corporations or capitalism. Why introduce a layer of indirection by blaming the rich or corporations, when the rules are made by government? Blame the government directly.

This implies that capitalism is not capable of self-regulation and therefore requires government intervention. It follows that this is a joint failure of capitalism and governments to reduce negative externalities that lead to high wealth inequality.

> Let reddit handle the economic ignorance.

Please don't include implicit ad hominem jabs at other posters. You could have omitted your first sentence with no loss to your argument.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by sangnoir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:56PM (#35992484)
So good things are a result of capitalism, and the bad concomitant outcomes are due to "globalization, AI" and "failure of government"? Perhaps there is a link between the cheap Walmart milk in your fridge, record Walmart profits, automation (self-checkout), hardball supplier negotiations and rising inequality as indicated by Walmart employees also being on SNAP.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by CapstanRoller on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:27PM (#35992852)
Which country was first in space, and led space-related innovation?

Capitalism didn't invent or produce computers or milk. Workers did.

Capitalism is just a wealth distribution mechanism on top of innovation and labor that only concerns itself with how the wealth generated by workers is distributed.

We can choose other mechanisms of wealth distribution.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by uoaei on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:47AM (#35989680)
Employment metrics make less sense now that poorly-paid gig work is ubiquitous. Just because you "have a job" doesn't mean you'll be able to afford basic necessities.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by Nextgrid on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:52AM (#35989758)
Potential counterpoint: most gig work is on a contract/self-employed basis and may not be included in "employment" metrics.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by soperj on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:05PM (#35989999)
If they're not looking for a job, then they would be.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by ars on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:34PM (#35990455)
> poorly-paid gig work

The gig workers I know do it because they like the money, it's the best money available to them. So I don't know about the "poorly-paid" part, there's so much demand for gig work people complain they can't find enough of it.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by uoaei on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:22PM (#35994224)
Wishful thinking doesn't make for convincing rhetoric.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by andy_ppp on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:17PM (#35990213)
Don’t worry, everyone is suffering - we’re all in this together… For example we’re set to have the highest private jet sales on record this year https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sa...

Almost as if COVID caused a huge redistribution of money from the poor to the wealthy.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by rabuse on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:26PM (#35990345)
All by design. Kill all small businesses by shutting them down, and get purchased by giant megacorps when they're worth nothing.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by thr-nrg on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:39PM (#35990533)
Don't be silly. There is no such thing as a conspiracy. After all it's not like a bunch of assasins trained by a state's decret service started World War I.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by mrguyorama on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:46PM (#35990654)
Clearly a conspiracy, which is why all the assassins were objectively incompetent, only succeeded by sheer stupid luck, and both Germany and Austro-Hungary were itching and planning to start a war regardless.

Ferdinand's death didn't cause WW1, it just started it.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by thr-nrg on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:50PM (#35990720)
And yet they were still more competent than the Austrian secret services because they, you know, managed to kill their target.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by slig on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:49PM (#35990714)
Don't forget the money printing machine at maximum speed.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by dukeyukey on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:31PM (#35992163)
Although small businesses didn't really shut down, at least that I could see. Pubs sold delivery beer, restaurants went full-on collection and delivery, coffee shops turned into walk-throughs.

Tougher time absolutely, but almost all the visible small businesses in my area survived lockdown.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by jjoonathan on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:12PM (#35991069)
"By design" seems like a bit much, but the upper class sure didn't let the crisis go to waste.

Spend $800B so the poors can eat? Hand-wringing and pearl clutching up and down the air waves. Just think of the inflation!

Spend $3000B to pump real estate values? Complete silence, relatively speaking.

This experience made it very clear who was in charge and who wasn't. These are US numbers, but I tend to suspect the same story repeated itself all around the world.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by hospitalJail on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:14PM (#35991104)
I was so angry about all of this.

I had been waiting to time the market, I ended up only buying 30% down rather than the 50-80% down I was hoping.

What happened in 2020 changed my understanding of markets. Politics>Economics for politicians.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by thom on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:28PM (#35992123)
Read the room, friend.
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by biohax2015 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:01PM (#35992551)
Politics = economics
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by throwawayazz on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:42PM (#35994501)
No gov wants a recession on their watch. So we will have a biggest and baddest recession at some point in the future
Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by andy_ppp on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:27PM (#35992113)
The money spent during COVID ($13tn of various money printing and government intervention) was largely spent into the economy owned by rich people - who do you think owns your mortgage and the banks and your debts and the super markets etc.

The poor still spent most of their money, the rich did not buy more yachts and expensive meals and attending "charity" galas etc. so what would usually be a circular flow became a direct increase in the wealth of the rich and direct decrease in the wealth of the poor. The inflation we see now is going to remain for a while but in the end prices over the next 3-5 years will nearly double and wages will remain the same.

The rich just increased their wealth and the working person got dramatically poorer. Poor people in the UK can't even afford food and Internet but at least the rich have never had it so good. Tax the rich.

Re:One million cancel broadband as living costs rise (UK) by agumonkey on Thursday May 18, 2023 @04:21PM (#35993562)
French news recently reported 26% of people skipping meals and not feeling fed.

Mind boggling system failure when you can have smartphones for 100bucks but not enough income to pay bills and food regularly.