Counter offer. Ask for a sufficiently large consternation and a 2 year severance should it not work out. Just like executives. They get a lot more.

What is "a consternation"? I've never heard this term and can't find it referenced anywhere.

I think it's autocorrect for compensation.

I'm ready for some FAANG total consternation.

Thank you! Yes, I meant compensation :).

Sorry about that. Typo. I meant, "compensation".

If their 3.75% mortgage was originally for $1M and has 25 years left, just the cost of giving that up is about $250k. I don't think anyone's giving out a $250k sign-on bonus for a non-executive.

As the great one said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take".

considered renting down there and renting out your owned home?

Signing a lease is a new, expensive obligation, and being a landlord is a second job. That approach might be right for some people, but it's definitely not the same as just selling your old house and buying a new one somewhere else.

Letting a property management company take care of things mitigates a lot (but not all) of that. They'll take a huge cut of the income, of course.

Obviously this depends on the location and the management company. Mine takes 50% of the first month's rent for finding & qualifying a new tenant, then 8% of the following rent payments. So far they have done a decent enough job - I just have to prod them on repairs to not use the absolute cheapest approach (my theory is a nicer house can justify a higher rent, vs. all the ones in the market that are run by corporate landlords and look like it)

> to not use the absolute cheapest approach

Can I just say -- you rock. I've been a renter my whole life (I prefer it that way), and I appreciate when the property owner steps in to keep property management companies from being total cheapskates with repairs. It makes sense -- it's the owner's investment, after all, and I don't mind paying a bit of a premium for a place that is well maintained.

It's common for property management companies to arrange for kickbacks with certain repair contractors. I'm not claiming that any particular management company is corrupt but I know of cases where this has happened and it's tough for absentee landlords to detect.

And that still doesn’t take care of vacancies and long eviction processes.

"being a landlord is a second job" is something I hear a lot from renters, I've never heard this from an actual small time landlord who has two or less rental properties. And yeah, if you have 30%+ equity in your house you can generally have a property management company handle everything for perpetual 10% of the rent + first month's rent and come out even, in most competitive markets. Being a landlord in a low cost of living area, more than an hour from a major city is probably a losing proposition for most people under 50.

My parents, others in my family, and a couple former co-workers have had a rental unit or two at one time or another. Exactly one of those didn't strongly advise against it, and that one said his situation was good only because he'd been careful to buy units where they were almost certainly going to go to nursing school students, who are likely to be relatively-stable, stick around for at least a couple years, leave before long if they can't pay anymore for some reason, and extremely unlikely to trash the place or try to run a meth lab out of it or anything like that. In all other cases the complaints are similar: the return on time and money invested is just way, way too low to be worth the risk & frustration.

But, none of those engaged a property management company. Maybe that makes the difference.

I had two properties. It was a second job.

I did exactly this. After a period of initial search I got some good tenants, and my only interaction with them is calling the plumber or something on their behalf every other month.

My parents were landlords for almost 20 years. They owned a six family that we also lived in most of the time. It was a ton of work and they didn't make hardly anything after expenses. We had several cleanups that could be on the Hoarders TV show.

My grandparents were landlords for like 50 years. They said they wouldn't be worth it if their children weren't doing all the work for free.

The reason I don’t have rental property as investment is from seeing how much work it was for my parents to rent out half a duplex and, later, a 3 BR SFR. Both places were completely trashed at least once by tenants and even the “good” tenants were frequently late with the rent or had other drama for them to deal with.

The idea that a typical small landlord sits on their ass and cashes fat checks is not matched by what I’ve seen not anything I’ve heard from friends who wouldn’t take my advice to stay away.

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this is (no joke) why The Fed wants to engineer a recession

job losses will trigger home sales by necessity, and the great mass of people with 3% mortgages will be unwedged by force

same thing happened after 2008...the recession pushed people out of the best mortgages they ever had

> this is (no joke) why The Fed wants to engineer a recession

No it doesn’t. It wants home values to go down. That can occur without job losses. (Which even now, largely aren’t occurring outside tech.)

connect the dots...and the people holding up the jobs numbers (Target, Costco, Chiptole) don't own homes, even in Kentucky

While I’m sure it’s less than ideal, I would not describe the temporary inability to swap out a valuable asset for an equivalently valued asset as a tragedy.

I bought a home specifically so I don't have to deal with landlords and their own level of bullshit.

Rental prices in San Diego are almost as high as Fremont/San Jose (5th most expensive rental city in CA). Also, considering it has one of the highest electricity rates in the country, it makes renting even more expensive than just the monthly rate.

How much electricity does one need in San Diego?

Temperature highs are 19-25C year round and winter lows are around 10C.

Barely need heating or cooling, just need to bump up the indoor average by a few degrees and that seems to be it.

Other big loads would be a fridge and hot water, but those are getting pretty efficient.

I would rather have an anal probe with a cactus than ever be a landlord again. Vacancy, slow payers, maintenance, evictions that take forever, etc.

Being a distant landlord is even worse. Yes you can get a property manager. But, then you have to pay them.