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Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by bradleyjg on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:23AM (#35976623)
It’s almost amazing to me that CEOs have all these ideas for how to hire and retain but never once consider the very things they demand to be hired and retained. Almost like they think of the rest of us as not real people.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by geodel on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:31AM (#35976764)
Nothing amazing about. CEO retain lawyers to draft custom contracts with a company before taking offer. This is mutually agreed negotiation and neither company nor job seeker is obliged to agree to such negotiation.

No one is stopping you from trying it.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by bradleyjg on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:36AM (#35976836)
Sure, and the next time a tech ceo goes whining to Congress about a shortage of workers I hope my congressman tells him that no one is stopping him from mutually agreed negotiations with candidates.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by geodel on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:47AM (#35977010)
That too is fine. Congressman is listening to lot of constituents. Nothing wrong in taking your message at higher precedence than CEOs.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by BizarroLand on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:32AM (#35976784)
Too many of them think they are doing us a favor by allowing us to work for them at glorious random company rather than realizing that glorious random company would has no value outside of its employees.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by JohnFen on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:03PM (#35982327)
Too many workers think the same.

It's amazing the reactions I get from people when I tell them the simple truth that nobody is doing you a favor by hiring you. It's a business deal, nothing more and nothing less, and if you aren't thinking of it in that way, you're going to be taken advantage of.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by yamtaddle on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:43AM (#35976935)
There's truly a different set of rules & norms, once you're high enough up the social-status ladder.

That used to include the so-called "professional class" but the story of the intersection between social status and work for the last few decades has been MBA types pushing those positions downward‚and preventing them from ever rising, in the software world. They may not be doing it consciously, but a lot of stuff about work-life for software folks sure looks like what you'd do if you wanted to squash the social status of a cohort that earns enough money that they'd otherwise be on their way to solid membership in the upper-middle, like micro-managy "methodologies", avoiding giving us personal offices, widespread and oft-expressed but IME rarely-accurate stereotypes about software folks necessarily being bad at everything except fiddly computer shit, and the way interviews are run.

Professors and doctors were two big groups that held high status and had a fair amount of freedom and trust to run their own affairs, once they'd paid their dues, but both those worlds have been invaded by MBAs who've taken over running everything and brought the same contempt for "mere" workers that we see in the rest of the business world. AFAIK lawyers have held them off, so far, but I may just not be aware of MBA-ification there.

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by bradleyjg on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @12:04PM (#35977324)
Law firms, in most states, are forbidden to have ownership in the hands of non-lawyers (there’s some minor exceptions dealing with inheritance.)
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:32PM (#35978601)
> Law firms, in most states, are forbidden to have ownership in the hands of non-lawyers

Good. The rest of us are idiots

Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by badpun on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:19PM (#35980739)
Looks like the lawyers were able to defend themselves because they, well, write the laws.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by naravara on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:25PM (#35978497)
What you're calling "MBA-ification" sounds more like private equity infiltration.
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:33PM (#35978618)
its a package deal
Re:Americans Have Never Been So Unwilling to Relocate for a ... by skeeter2020 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:54AM (#35977132)
CEOs play checkers with people. Every piece is identical and thus very easy to dehumanize. I'd bet the best direct managers you ever had were playing chess, actually trying to understand the difference between people and how to best apply them. This difference is both required, because of scale, and inexcusable at the same time.