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Re:ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter by jsheard on Sunday May 14, 2023 @06:10PM (#35941783)
> You don't want your phone to run x86 (and it won't for a while)

It's easily forgotten but there were Android phones which used Intel x86 processors, such as the early Asus Zenfones. They didn't stick though.

Re:ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter by kelnos on Sunday May 14, 2023 @07:07PM (#35942166)
I think that's the point, though: why didn't they stick? Was it a price/performance/power issue, which would point to ARM being somehow "better" on those dimensions, or was it something incidental, like production availability, or even just perhaps a lack of desire at Intel to aggressively pursue that market?
Re:ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter by amluto on Sunday May 14, 2023 @09:32PM (#35943000)
At least some of the attempts in question had, ahem, interesting ideas for how to combine baseband and AP on one chip.

(x86 has a truly atrocious thing called SMM (“system management mode”). It is not directly exposed to anything except firmware and malware, so it could be changed in backwards-incompatible ways without breaking existing software, but for some reason neither Intel nor AMD seems willing to do so. For desktop and server workloads, this isn’t really a big deal. For something like an iPhone, it would be a major non-selling-point.

Also, x86 interrupt latency is awful, and this is an ISA issue. x86 cannot currently compete in any application where this matters. FRED may improve this if the implementation is good enough.)

Re:ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter by rsaxvc on Sunday May 14, 2023 @07:10PM (#35942181)
You could even get an AMD chip in your XPPhone https://www.umpcportal.com/products/XPPhone/XPPhone :p
Re:ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter by eloisant on Monday May 15, 2023 @06:10AM (#35945888)
The biggest issue is that ARM was already king, so x86 was an exception that wasn't always accounted for.

So there was occasional incompatibilities and no real benefit to balance them.