The organ harvesting thing was propaganda spread by an openly anti-communist organization and has been discredited by international bodies. The concentration camps are obviously not the norm – the way China talks about them, they seem similar to extrajudicial imprisonment we have to incarcerate similar types of terrorists and enemies of the state.

Sending most of the citizens below retirement age of a province to concentration camps certainly seems like a normalized practice in China today.

It was wrong when we did the same here in the USA with Japanese Americans (George Takei wrote about his time there) and we should not normalize this mass imprisonment without individual right to fair trial.

Just for awareness, the US also had people of Japanese heritage sent from Latin America to the US to put them in camps. Peru sent 3000 Peruvians with Japanese heritage.

The way the Chinese government talks about things tends to not be that accurate. The Uyghurs are not terrorists. They are an ethnic minority that is being terrorized and subjected to genocide by the Chinese government.

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The US has very similar camps in the form of forced labor (i.e. slavery) by prisoners. These slaves have built products in the US that many of us have used, including clothes and office furniture. They make 63 cents per hour - make no mistake, they are slaves.

I think you are being downvoted for being stupid.*

The US is a massive area of land with a variety of different regional geographic and cultural differences. You wouldn't go about describing Europe or an entire continent with equally broad strokes. It helps to be as specific as possible to advance the discussion.

*: Yes, stupid. https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc

> The US is a massive area of land with a variety of different regional geographic and cultural differences. You wouldn't go about describing Europe or an entire continent with equally broad strokes.

The 13th amendment is federal and applies everywhere in the US. Not every state takes full advantage of prison slave labor, sure, but it is legal everywhere, and some do.

This is voluntary work for people who have been convicted. I agree they should be paid more though.

Several states still do not pay inmates, including Texas.

> This is voluntary work for people who have been convicted.

Except its not; the 13th amendment allows, and several states have institutionalized, involuntary servitude of prisoners.

> I agree they should be paid more though.

In addition to not always being voluntary, it is also not always paid at all.

Louisiana voted against banning13th amendment slavery in 2022.

Yes because murdering people and harvesting their organs is very similar to using imprisoned people as a very cheap source of labor.

The source I remember was that China’s waiting lists for organ transplants are extremely low. If you have a refutation of that specific point, I would be very interested to read what you have to write.

and china is the least country of voluntary donations of organs in the world (for religious reasons, kinda "you will need the whole of your body in the afterlife")

> openly anti-communist organization

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Most organisations worldwide, are openly anti-communist, except those that explicitly support dictatorship and human rights abuse.

I guess that's a good thing.

My employer is headquartered in the US and has presence in about 30 countries. I don't recall them taking a position on communism.

I don't understand why Americans still cling to this villain. It's 2023, the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

there are still five openly communist countries left in the world: North Korea, Mainland China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos.

And yet, the US seems quite happy to engage in partnership with at least one of those:

https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-vietnam-relationship...

So communism clearly isn’t the issue.

What exactly are you talking about regarding the "organ harvesting thing"? It's undeniable that it happened. In 2014 China promised to stop doing it. Here's an article from Chinese state media:

> China's long-term dependence on executed prisoners as organ donors will end at the start of next year, according to a high-ranking official.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-12/05/content_190287...

My understanding is the debates are over whether or not it still happens and to what extent political prisoners (particularly Falun Gong members) were victims.

They literally recorded doctors admitting to it and detailing where the organs come from.

Just because China calls everything it dislikes “propaganda” doesn’t mean it isn’t true.