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Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by swombat on Monday November 10, 2008 @05:31AM (#359092)
Force yourself to get up at a constant hour (e.g. 7am) and go to bed at a constant hour (e.g. 11pm for 8 hours of sleep) every day even if you're not tired.

Don't go out clubbing/drinking/etc for a few weeks until you have this sorted out.

I have the same delayed sleep pattern, but this works fine, sure-fire, every time.

Another few tips:

1) Stop staring at computer monitors for about 1 hour before sleep-time

2) Try reading a not-too-exciting fiction book for 30 minutes before sleep-time (That's from 10:30, not from 11). Big classics (Dickens, Tolstoy, etc) do well for this.

3) Don't do anything in bed other than prepare to sleep and sleep.

I can guarantee that you'll start feeling really tired around 10:30 and fall asleep like a baby by 11:15 within 2 weeks - probably even faster.

Just make sure you stick to those times as if your life depended on them. In bed by 11, out of bed at 7.

Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by ErrantX on Monday November 10, 2008 @09:27AM (#359219)
I also have sleep problems: though not so extreme (I sleep fitfully and often cannot sleep for a whole night - maybe once or twice a fortnight).

The advice from swombat is the BEST you will ever get.

DSPS is, as noted, incurable. However you can train your body to ignore it with serious discipline (or rather train your body to a decent sleep pattern). I'd hazard that your age (24 right?) is amplifying your symptoms/problems.

You only need 7hrs of sleep a night (some people can manage 6) to be rested: the key is getting some REM sleep in there (my main problem is that I sleep in 60-80 minute cycles and deep sleep usually doesnt start until 90mins into a cycle). If you sleep deeply when you DO sleep then you will probably be ok.

Have an extremely strict bed time schedule. So at 10 (perhaps) begin to wind down. Have a bath (I find this to be the best thing) for 20 mins. The sit and read a book (not in your bed) prefferably a boring one - I am hugely well read for my generation because of this :D. At 11 (dead on) lie down and dotn TRY to sleep. Relax and clear your mind - think of what your plan for the next day is. Build an itenary and imagine how the day will go. Whilst you do this breath very deeply. You should relax and fall asleep.

If you find that your still awake after 45mins (30mins is not unusual for the amount of time needed to fall asleep!) then get up, walk around gently for 10 mins (or read).Then try again.

In the morning have the alarm set for, say, 7am. When it goes up get up - no snuggling or whatever force yourself out of bed w/e. Then have a really good energy breakfast and do some exercise. This will clear the "sleepiness" out of you (which will make you feel sleep deprived when your not).

Other tips. Make sure you snack (healthily :D) through the day to keep energy levels up and your metabolism going. DO NOT eat a big meal any closer than 3hrs to your bed time (so if it is 11 then make sure dinner is well done by 8pm). Drink plenty (of water) through the day but avoid drinking it before bed time. Also avoid cafeine like the plague (this will keep you awake fort hours if you have even a slight sleep problem). You could try herbal remdies to help sleep in the evenings (I take some now and again when I cant relax) or eat foods like cheese etc. in small quantaties about an hr before bed.

It will take work and you might feel rotten for a week or so. But eventually your body will adapt to the correct sleep pattern.

Also get a second opinion: DSPS is often a "get out" clause for sleep conditions :) I was diagnosed with DSPS a couple of times before they got ot the bottom of it. My specific case is that I have sudden releases of seratonin in the brain (the stuff that chocolate and sex generates :)) so I go hyper for short spells - which wakes me up or keeps me awake. It does wonders for my creativity but can destroy sleep patterns :)

A lot of your issues are probably also down to being young (I am around the same age and a lot of my problems are gone now simply through discipline). Get rid of those and you will then have the core of your sleep problem laid out reayd to address :)

It will be tough - so good luck. But with a LOT of discipline you'll make it!

Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by Deadsunrise on Monday November 10, 2008 @06:15AM (#359103)
I don't have any sleep disorder and never really paid much attention to the duration of my sleep or the time to go to bed. After watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hAw1z8GdE8 ( Dr. William Dement on Healthy Sleep and Optimal Perfomance ) I'm going to bed at 11 and waking at 7 with excelent results.
Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by swombat on Monday November 10, 2008 @08:28AM (#359180)
Hmm, the video looks interesting, but it's quite boringly executed :-(

Is there a summary of the points in this talk somewhere?

Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by LogicHoleFlaw on Monday November 10, 2008 @11:42AM (#359359)
the video looks interesting, but it's quite boringly executed :-(

Well, it is intended to help you fall asleep...

Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by mechanical_fish on Monday November 10, 2008 @10:35AM (#359279)
Dement has a book: "The Promise of Sleep"

I read a book by one of Dement's colleagues, James Maas: "Power Sleep".

I first heard Dement in pure-audio form on the Stanford iTunes. That talk was moderately better organized than the video version, although it would certainly be better if there was a punchier video available on such an important topic.

Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by maximilian on Monday November 10, 2008 @03:11PM (#359641)
I can guarantee that you'll start feeling really tired around 10:30 and fall asleep like a baby by 11:15 within 2 weeks - probably even faster.

If he's got the sleep syndrome like he says this won't help. He just won't be tired in bed and will lay there. His body can't sync to a 24 schedule and will always want to slip. A normal body will sync to a 24 schedule if you let it. His won't. It totally sucks and I imagine consulting would be the way to do it.

Re:Prolonged Partial Sleep Deprivation for a Job (The worst ... by nora on Monday November 10, 2008 @06:47PM (#359948)
I've been down this road many times. It isn't this simple. It's a genetic disorder.