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Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by skyyler on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:14AM (#35875570)
I can't put my finger on it precisely, but it feels like there are outside influences radicalizing people via social media with an ultimate goal of destabilizing the United States.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by licebmi__at__ on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:33AM (#35875945)
Or maybe American corporations amplified American problems while chasing money like usual, and then problems present themselves based on American realities.

No need to look for external causes, although blaming external actors also aligns with American historical actions.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by Nanana909 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:40AM (#35876051)
* does China/Russia have the technical know-how to create a twitter or Reddit account and post in English?

* does China/Russia benefit from furthering destabilizing narratives?

if they can do it and they benefit from doing it…they are doing it.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by asg101 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:30AM (#35875877)
The oligarchs want us to fight each other, rather than fight them. Divide and conquer has never failed them. Push the culture wars to distract from the class war.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by ElevenLathe on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:19AM (#35875669)
They don't need to be "outside" influences. We're totally capable of radicalizing ourselves domestically.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by bryanlarsen on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:29AM (#35875859)
It's both. Russian troll farms work by amplifying internal destabilizing factors.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by mmmm2 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:20AM (#35875697)
We've become the terrorists we feared in the 2000s.
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Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by throwuwu on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:32AM (#35875922)
Looking through the list of the most recent ones, I’m having trouble finding any white nationalists
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by throwaway5959 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:52AM (#35876259)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna83336

Took less than a minute to find.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by throwuwu on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:17PM (#35877435)
Right, exactly what do you think a white nationalist is?
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by atwebb on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:16AM (#35875624)
Watching city sub-reddits devolve over the years has me feeling the same way. It seems coordinated.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by spacemadness on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:26AM (#35875806)
I think it is often coordinated but I doubt all of it is “outside influence.” It doesn’t take many extreme nazi/far right folk to make a dent and they can easily coordinate a small group to trash a subreddit to be more effective.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by GoodDomainName on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:30AM (#35875883)
China has full access to USA internet and 50c trolls are everywhere spreading propoganda. Asking for restrictions is seen as bad sadly
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by andrewstuart2 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:17AM (#35875627)
I think there are probably outside influences involved. But also, we've already had a civil war that predates the internet by a long shot, and I don't think we necessarily need outside influence for this to be an outcome given a lot of the incentives for radicalized viewpoints.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by giantg2 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:30AM (#35875878)
With such a large, expansive, and diverse population we are a country with many nations inside it. There has certainly been a long history of different viewpoints in different areas, dating back to the decades long debates over the creation of the constitution and bill of rights.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by marl0 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:16AM (#35875622)
100% I'm surprised this isn't more obvious to others. The media certainly isn't helping the situation either.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by themedia on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:33AM (#35875938)
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Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by LastTrain on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:29AM (#35875874)
Please be more specific when you talk about "the media", the most abused term in American culture.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by bjtitus on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:42AM (#35876080)
Obviously they mean anyone who ever dares to publish anything. Every comment here is clearly part of "the media". /s
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by sophacles on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:53AM (#35876280)
Well no, that's ridiculous. 'The media' only published the ones you disagree with.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by navjack27 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:22PM (#35876678)
I'm sure themedia is the media
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by tehwebguy on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:20AM (#35875699)
> outside influences radicalizing people

Outside of where?

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by sdfghswe on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:16AM (#35875609)
If it's plausible that that strategy could work, it's plausible that someone will try it.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by alex_sf on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:19AM (#35875675)
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by hanniabu on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:29AM (#35875869)
Late stage capitalism....divide the country through politics so nothing can get done and remove any nuance from discussions
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by outside1234 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:16AM (#35875607)
Occam's Razor: It's the guns.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by edgyquant on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:21AM (#35875712)
That isn’t what Occams Razor means.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by throwuwu on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:34AM (#35875964)
All else being equal my ass.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by sdfghswe on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:17AM (#35875636)
Guns is a necessary condition, yes, and the problem would be greatly mitigated by removing the necessary condition, yes.

But it's also plausible that like OP says outside influences take advantage of the condition being present.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by pphysch on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:23AM (#35875761)
You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why there's a murder problem in a country with a boatload of guns, lax restrictions on violent media, and a culture where infringing on someone's right to do anything can be interpreted as "totalitarian".

No foreign influence required.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by Nanana909 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:25AM (#35875780)
The “foreign influence” part is when mass shootings are a fraction of a fraction of the deaths, yet 50% of the news coverage.

The best kind of misinformation is misinformation that is true but not representative of the real situation. Have you checked our heart disease deaths? It is *factually* an issue many orders of magnitude more important to the average American. And yet…zero discussion seems to happen about it online?

And why wouldn’t there be foreign influence? It’s quite an easy checklist:

* do Russia and China have the technical capability to make social media accounts and post in English?: Yes, obviously.

* do Russia and China have any motive to drive fearful divisive narratives in the US?: Yes - we are their primary geopolitical opponent

With both of these true, to assume they’re not doing it for some reason out of kindness requires a lot of mental gymnastics.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by plorg on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:35AM (#35875972)
It doesn't take foreign influence for shocking violence to get attention. Sensational news has been a big part of mass media as long as mass media has existed.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by Nanana909 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:51AM (#35876243)
No but foreign influence does help when any comment pointing out that there are things more important for the country to fix than mass shootings(heart disease and obesity) are immediately downvoted and mocked.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by plorg on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:13PM (#35876538)
Again, it doesn't suggest anything about foreign influence for a person to disagree with you. Telling people not to worry about (increasing) spectacular violence because they're more likely to die in a car accident reads as if you're changing the subject because you don't want to talk about it.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by Nanana909 on Friday May 12, 2023 @05:37PM (#35922773)
But violence isn’t increasing, it’s been decreasing for decades with an outlier uptick during COVID.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/crim...

Thats my entire point. You’re talking about something that simply does not exist. But when nearly all of the online discourse acts as if we are less safe now, it’s easy to believe that is true. Even being aware of the statistics sometimes I feel that way.

Sensationalist media has always been a thing. Yet, at the exact same time geopolitical opponents were given a direct input to the media consumed by the average American, sentiment becomes much more negative.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by imtringued on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:39AM (#35876045)
In Germany there was a guy building homemade weapons who attempted to shoot up a Synagogue in Halle. It was all over the news. There is more frequent coverage because there are more shootings. No foreign power needed.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by giantg2 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:31AM (#35875918)
"The “foreign influence” part is when mass shootings are a fraction of a fraction of the deaths, yet 50% of the news coverage."

Not foreign influence, but simply that fear and outrage sells.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by Nanana909 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:33AM (#35875947)
Why not both? They have the ability to make social media accounts and assist these fearful and outrages narratives, and they have the motive.

I.e. they are 100%, without a doubt, doing just that

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by giantg2 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:38AM (#35876019)
I wouldn't count social media as the media. I certainly see social media and political groups/movements as having foreign influence. I see the media proper as just about the money.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by pphysch on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:37AM (#35876008)
You're telling me that "sensational and outrageous headlines" is a foreign influence operation?

Let's be serious. Yellow Journalism was thriving in its modern birthplace of USA long before PRC or RF even existed.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by Nanana909 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:53AM (#35876283)
No, I’m telling you that sensational media is driven by demand.

Demand from consumers who interact with the internet.

Consumers who, on the internet, ONLY see upvoted comments about masa shootings and see anything talking about the more deadly issue of heart disease/obesity downvoted and mocked.

Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by sg47 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:19AM (#35875681)
Also called the Republican party
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by dirtyid on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:44AM (#35876125)
Or it's just cathartic to laugh at the king, even by the king's vassels (Guardian). Are foreign powers weaponizing US dysfunctional to undermine US society, sure. Are their collective impact remotely as effective as dysfunctional US media weaponizing said US dysunfction for views for massive domestic and international audiences, probably not. Past some point ground reality in US is doing most of the work, pressing these buttons by external forces is just filler work to pass the time. It's not even active measures to undermine US society at this point when US society is doing most of the undermining.
Re:US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after... by trasz4 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:18PM (#35876632)
Yup, it's been long known that some state actors, like Russia, do that, usually by amplifying alt-right content.