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Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by toyg on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:03AM (#35871732)
Trust the medieval Church for sucking the fun out of everything.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by bandrami on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:24AM (#35871842)
There were monks whose job was to chant various psalms at specific tempos through the night so they would know when it was 4am to wake up the cook so he could start breakfast. I don't know if I could ever hate music, but that would get me close.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by krisoft on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:15AM (#35872581)
Oh my. After about a single night of that I would invent a water clock.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @08:01AM (#35873022)
Considering water clocks date back to 1500 BCE it wouldn't be hard.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:41AM (#35874160)
So what did the monks in the pre-1500s do?
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by ben_w on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:51AM (#35874297)
BC, there were no Christian monks for at least another 15 centuries after the κλεψύδρα was invented.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:57AM (#35875299)
Unbelievably, there were very few medieval monks before the birth of Christ.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by bandrami on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @08:17AM (#35873208)
They had them! But Benedictines were required to do some things the hard way. Dominicans and Franciscans just set an alarm and went to sleep.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by taneq on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:25PM (#35881678)
You're not a monk, though. The tedium and inconvenience is the point.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by lynx23 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:51AM (#35872902)
Seriously? This sounds so weird, it must come from a movie, please.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:46AM (#35874224)
The Name of the Rose, maybe.
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by darkerside on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:53AM (#35872932)
Would love to know more about this
Re:Ed Sheeran Demonstrates How Copyright Is Destroying Music... by brian_cloutier on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:52AM (#35875219)
This sent me down a rabbit hole; I would love to see your source I can't find any. The idea that someone might carefully pace their recital in order to keep accurate track of time across several hours is threshold-hard to believe. It seems _possible_ but unlikely, and the kind of story which is likely to grow with retelling.

The closest mention I can find is this [1]:

> Early monastic rules say little about how time was determined, though the Rule of the Master notes that pairs of monks took turns, in weekly shifts, trying to stay awake while the others slept in order to awaken the abbot on time. Several possibilities for deter- mining that time are likely, however, including the use of calibrated candles or lamps of oil, [...] the recitation of a certain number of psalms, [etc]

However, here is it only mentioned as a possibility, not an actuality, and no sources are provided.

There appear to have been several orders who practiced 24-hour prayer by taking shifts, see for example the Acoemetae [2]. Here we do have Monks staying up all night reciting psalms but I can't find any indication that the prayers themselves were used to keep track of time.

The only reference to prayer-as-timekeeping that I can find seems to be in Medieval recipe books [3], which apparently would say things like boil this fish for as long as it takes to recite the lords prayer three times. Dead-reckoning works well on such short time-scales!

Even as early as the 500s there appear to have been timekeeping methods accurate enough to tell that dawn was approaching. When the skies are clear you can read this from the stars and accurate-enough water clocks have been in Europe since ~ the 500s. So there doesn't seem to be a need to perfect the act of spending hours reciting psalms at the right tempo.

[1]: https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/M_Helms_Before_2004.pdf [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoemetae [3]: http://the-history-girls.blogspot.com/2017/08/cooking-on-pra...