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Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:13PM (#35852938)
Such disasters are here and today, not in the future. This charger business is justified by the EU on the grounds of reducing waste. Noble, except that the EU is simultaneously creating a massive trash mountain on a scale well beyond anything the mobile industry will ever achieve by purchasing hundreds of millions of doses of COVID vaccines (still!), and then immediately tossing them into landfills. It does this because the EU's bureaucratic experts signed secret contracts with Pfizer that requires them to do so.

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/142097/116-Millionen-...

As of the end of February, the federal government had around 116 million doses of corona vaccine in stock. This emerges from a response from the Federal Ministry of Health ( BMG ) to a request from AfD member of the Bundestag Thomas Dietz.

According to this, the delivery of almost 111 million more vials with a value of around 2.5 billion euros is still pending. According to the reply, the federal government is obliged to accept them under the EU treaties.

"In view of the current development of the pandemic, the Federal Government is committed to making these EU contracts more flexible," the letter continues.

But even that that wasn't enough trash! Germany decided that it was also needed to purchase over 3.7 billion masks for their federal inventory. But masks expire, and now they have so many expiring and useless masks nobody wants that they have resorted to mass incineration of them, which they call "thermal reprocessing".

Yet even that wasn't enough trash pointlessly manufactured and then immediately burned for the EU. Even as they literally set fire to mountains of masks they were simultaneously purchasing another ~250 million for a National Reserve, many of which will expire at the end of 2023.

This is the EU that claims to care about the terrible trash problem created by mobile phone chargers.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by baq on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:41PM (#35853193)
It'd be so much better... for Pfizer to sell to consumers individually for 10-100x the price!
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:52PM (#35853299)
The Commission staff who signed these contracts are clearly idiots. Why do you assume they aren't paying 10x what the natural market rate would have been? Pfizer realized the EU would sign literally anything to be able to say it was going to save the day by purchasing vaccines. That's the absolute perfect time to set prices well above what you normally could charge!
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by throwaway049 on Sunday May 07, 2023 @02:05PM (#35853956)
You're welcome to bring numbers rather than hand-waving to this argument.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by anigbrowl on Sunday May 07, 2023 @02:19PM (#35854084)
Seems like a problem with Pfizer exploiting its monopoly position to hold public health hostage as much as bureaucrats choosing to have a signed contract with an overly-generous safety margin over getting the best possible price over some unknown timeframe.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @02:44PM (#35854314)
Pfizer didn't have a monopoly!
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by anigbrowl on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:44PM (#35854918)
They had a combination of pharmaceutical expertise and manufacturing capacity that made it easier for them to play hardball than it was for Moderna or Janssen. Substitute 'market power' for monopoly if you prefer, my point is that they were pursuing their own economic interests while negotiating deals so they share responsibility with the public officials for the outcome.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by DangitBobby on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:22PM (#35853035)
As everyone knows, if you do something dumb and wasteful you must always do dumb and wasteful things or risk being derided as a hypocrite!
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mort96 on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:38PM (#35853166)
Yeah! They made this one bad decision so it's hypocritical of them to make this other good decision!
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by blowski on Sunday May 07, 2023 @01:40PM (#35853735)
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Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @01:55PM (#35853872)
> Of course the EU can make bad decisions in one area without precluding them making good ones in others.

That's the whole point: they cannot. You guys are missing the problem here. The exact same systems and people who made the bad decisions about masks and vaccines are the ones making the decisions about phone chargers.

You can't say well obviously that decision was bad, but this one is good. Some of us recall that when the EU was writing blank cheques to Pfizer as part of a collective scheme to do purchasing for all of Europe it was being widely hailed as a genius move. So much money saved! So efficient, to do bulk purchasing. Now every single reply to my post admits that the decisions were terrible but this time it'll be different because this time the decision is obviously right.

Give it some years and people will be pointing to the USB-C decision as an example of EU dysfunction and HNs will be replying, "just because that decision was bad doesn't mean this one is!".

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by anigbrowl on Sunday May 07, 2023 @02:29PM (#35854156)
First, it's not the exact same systems and people; second, the circumstances are not analogous - a public health health emergency has a different set of considerations from a chronic junk problem; third, you have surely made some bad decisions in life as well as good ones, but you would probably be upset if people around you reacted to everything you did on the basis of your worst failure.

Sure, burning warehouses full of covid masks is absurdly wasteful. But do they really drop to zero effectiveness on their expiration date? Experience says no. If they're not fit to surgical standard, maybe they can be stamped with some identifying mark and redistributed as dust masks or something. The main reason the default option is to burn them is because history suggests that otherwise businesses will buy them and resell them as medical-grade or whatever without fully informing prospective customers.

Do you have a proposal for dealing with commercial mendacity that's less severe than just abolishing all state efforts at procurement or establishment of consumer standards?

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by blowski on Sunday May 07, 2023 @02:06PM (#35853965)
> You can't say well obviously that decision was bad, but this one is good.

I absolutely can and will say that.

A football manager can make bad decisions and lose 5-0, and yet the same manager can then win the next game with the same team. Furthermore, in the case of the EU, these are not even the same people, context, or decision.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by xorcist on Sunday May 07, 2023 @05:04PM (#35855578)
It specifically not the same people.

It's like when people claim standardized air port codes are made by the same people who sit in the security council, because both are UN bodies. It doesn't make it any more true.