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Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by JW_00000 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:24PM (#35843958)
OK, but does that mean the phrase should be used as such in an encyclopedia?

For instance, the word "biweekly" now means both "once every two weeks" and "twice per week". I don't mind usage of that word for those two meanings. Obviously, linguists can gather data and analyze how it's being used. They may conclude that one meaning was more favored 50 years ago and the other meaning is now.

But when I'm reading an encyclopedia, I'd prefer it to avoid this ambiguous word.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by bbor on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:39PM (#35844117)
Does “utilize” really lead to such ambiguities? Or “comprised of”? I’d be really surprised… maybe in rare cases? I haven’t read the entire linked manifesto so maybe he has some examples!
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by ghaff on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:50PM (#35844242)
Biweekly (and probably semi-weekly) is one of those words that should be generally avoided. It's like depending on some less obvious operator precedence rule rather than parentheses. You may be technically correct, but you shouldn't do it that way because others will misunderstand you.
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by fireant on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:57AM (#35848067)
Yes, comprised/utilize doesn't really matter because you will know from context, but biweekly is really tricky. For example "we have biweekly sprint ceremonies on monday and friday" can be very confusing.
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by zoklet-enjoyer on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:01PM (#35844884)
I only ever thought biweekly was synonymous with fortnightly
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by crazygringo on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:55PM (#35845285)
But there's nothing ambiguous about "is comprised of", so what's the problem?
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by emberfiend on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:55PM (#35845286)
Your example doesn't map, though. There is no ambiguity when I say "curry is comprised of beans and carrots". It's just a way of using the word that some native speakers have used their whole lives and other native speakers find jarring.
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by markmaglana on Saturday May 06, 2023 @11:35PM (#35847678)
As a non-native English speaker, the issue that I've had with the dual meaning of "comprise" is that I was first introduced to it via the "is comprised of" usage which resulted in me equating "comprised" with "composed" or "made up" As in: "X is comprised of Y and Z" == "X is composed of Y and Z" == "X is made up of Y and Z"

Some time later, I came across the usage "X comprises Y and Z" and, based on my previous understanding that "comprise" == "compose," I took that to mean "X composes Y and Z" which, in other words, means "Y and Z are made up of X". But really, it means the other way around which is that "X is made up of Y and Z!" Only when I learned about the dual meaning of "comprise" did I correctly understand it to mean the latter.

To this day, I still have to actively juggle this arbitrary "dual-rule" in my head when I come across "comprise."