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Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by eru on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:35AM (#35838366)
And even if there was an Académie, what authority would they have?

Eg the French have one, but that doesn't mean they have any moral authority.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by ggm on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:47AM (#35838431)
Moral, no. But they might influence e.g. textbooks and legal drafting. That ordinateur is not ordinary and l'informatique isn't always very Informative. Unless I am mistaken both English words coming in from the French?
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by arthurcolle on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:04AM (#35838538)
l'informatique, as a French person, has always failed to capture my imagination as the same way as Computer Science. I wish Informatics was what the Anglosphere had selected because I think it sounds pretty groovy
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by ggm on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:09AM (#35838564)
L'academie get to wear cool robes, pretend togas. Did the French just invent "Les Coupeurs de la Pierre"? Did they kill la Voiture électrique?
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by arthurcolle on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:14AM (#35838593)
I wish I got to wear robes
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by nwiswell on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:26AM (#35838648)
What's stopping you?
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by ggm on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:43AM (#35838747)
Anyone can play dress up at home. Getting enrobed by the premier French academic body at $50k per, that's class. Sorry classé
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by prmoustache on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:13AM (#35838961)
Classe.
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by ggm on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:13AM (#35839278)
Tony. I still don't understand how Tony came to mean classe because Tony bennett and Anthony Armstrong Jones aren't doing it for me.
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by denton-scratch on Saturday May 06, 2023 @11:51AM (#35842544)
I like the French language; I was once fluent (when I was 6).

So when I was sent on a course to do with computers in Paris, I said that my French was up to it. Wrong! My presence on the course was seriously disruptive, because French technical jargon (which I didn't learn at age 6) is unrecognisable to people who haven't learned that jargon in France (nobody else uses it).

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by slily on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:22PM (#35844538)
How is that different from any other language?

For instance, Chinese/Eastern medical jargon is objectively more readable than Western terms (unless you are fluent in Greek and Latin), but that doesn't mean you'll be able to understand them without some prior exposure.

French is also spoken outside of France.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by denton-scratch on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:26PM (#35845082)
I apologise; I routinely discount anything that is in a language that I can't read, and isn't available in translation, which means an awful lot of stuff from the far-east.

I assumed doctors everywhere had built an informal consensus to use English, with terminology derived from classical greek; rather as pilots and air-traffic controllers all use English.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by eru on Sunday May 07, 2023 @04:20AM (#35849129)
If anything, medical people use Latin as their universal language.

At least that used to be the case. In Germany medical students are still required to learn (at least some) Latin.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by eastbound on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:00AM (#35838512)
Since the topic is “who defines English”, it’s useful to list our experiences with Académie Française.

- Seats can only be replaced at death, which explains the advanced age. I generally think old people have more experience than younger ones, but opinions vary, and youngism and modernism are a thing.

- The first woman in the Académie, in 1980, was Marguerite Yourcenar, and she probably was the most non-feminist woman they could choose.

- Recently they opposed the “français.e.s” style of writing, sticking to the classic “français(e)s” or “ladies and gentlemen” inclusive writing. It made an uproar because the first one is described as the only inclusive one by feminist organizations, who like to forget that we included women before they were born. So we reached a fun state where the government uses the feminist one, the Académie says it’s not French, all organizations that want to please women align with the government, but I assure you I never receive management-oriented document in feminist writing, I rarely receive resumes or cover letters in feminist style, nor would I accept them if I got them (political militantism doesn’t make a good employee, especially if they pretend including women is a new thing).

Any other fun story about the moral upstanding of the Académie Française would be interesting too.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by hashmush on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:40AM (#35838716)
Sounds like you have an ax to grind. The whole comment comes of as very dismissive of the feminist movement (which might be justified, I know nothing about feminism in France).

> [..] nor would I accept them if I got them (political militantism doesn’t make a good employee, especially if they pretend including women is a new thing).

I don't know what to make of this, you'd reject candidates because they used dots instead of parenthesis, citing political militantism?

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by denton-scratch on Saturday May 06, 2023 @11:56AM (#35842590)
> because they used dots

Written language should be pronounceable - it's a written rendition of a spoken language. Even math formulae are pronounceable. How are you supposed to pronounce “français.e.s”?

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by hashmush on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:29PM (#35844014)
Not really the main point of my comment, but okay.

Firstly, mapping symbols to sound is arbitrary and based on convention.

I don't speak French, but I wouldn't say français.e.s is that much worse than français(e)s, pronunciation-wise. But I do agree that -.e.s is a bit odd. Kinda like w/ and w/o in English. I mean, seriously, why isn't it w. and w.o. like any other abbreviation.

Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by denton-scratch on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:17PM (#35845015)
I think it's more like "s/he". It's a typographical notation with no common understanding of how it's supposed to be pronounced.
Re:Wikipedia users edits over 90k uses of “comprised of” by Glawen on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:31AM (#35838670)
What you call feminist writing has been around in academic circles for a long time, it really burst out recently with woke movement.

I like the idea about Académie, at least it defines a way to write new words. Some are picked up by people, and others are ignored, but that's ok too.