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Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by isanjay on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:24AM (#35827372)
I really dislike what BJP is doing with internet in india. Proper authoritarian.

I hope they lose in Karnataka and other states in coming months.

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Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by isanjay on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:38AM (#35827476)
Why ?
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by 1729now on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:38AM (#35827481)
Dream On
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by flangola7 on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:11AM (#35828224)
What happened
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by hnbad on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:56AM (#35827620)
They're far-right Hindu nationalists. I'm not sure authoritarianism from an ethnonationalist party is particularly surprising.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by 0xDEF on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:29AM (#35827879)
>ethnonationalist

No one ethnic group makes up more than 10% of their supporters. They are religious populists.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by a_humean on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:33AM (#35827905)
They are very much far right Hindu nationalist, but its probably a stretch to call them ethnonationalist given the ethnic diversity of that grouping.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by hnbad on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:18AM (#35859259)
I agree the term is imprecise but it's certainly not a stretch and I'm not the first person to refer to them as such: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41301-020-00234-4

Hindutva may be more about culture than biology but the best descriptor I can find is "völkisch nationalism" which doesn't have a good English translation ("Volk" being a more abstract idea than ethnicity but more tangible than cultural identity): the idea of Muslims as a residual contaminant of Islamic colonialism that must be excised to restore the purity of a Hindu India strongly resembles the "blood and soil" ideology of Nazi Germany which sought to restore the "birthright" of the "Aryan race" despite the majority of Germans not being considered "pure Aryans" (and declarations of "Aryan-ness" often being more pragmatic than scientific because the entire idea was based on mythology not actual history).

I could have called them fascist as many scholars agree that Hindutva should be considered a fascist ideology in its structure and application despite having no direct lineage from Italian fascism but then someone would have pointed out that "it's not actually fascism" and we could have debated that definition instead.

It's a nationalist populist movement that attempts to displace one cultural and ethnic minority it deems as invasive by empowering another it deems pure while maintaining a pretense of secularism and democracy and it does so by promising to restore an imagined historical greatness and a return to "tradition". Call it ethnonationalist or fascist, either way it would be the obvious bad guy in any piece of historical fiction. That other bad guys exist at the same time doesn't negate this point (after all, we don't need to defend 1930s/1940s Japan, Italy or Spain to point out that Germany was bad or vice versa).

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by eunos on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:29AM (#35827876)
Pretty sure Cong will do the same. India take unlicensed communication seriously. Even plane wifi doesn't work when it flies over Indian airspace.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by SanderNL on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:32AM (#35827903)
“Unlicensed communication”. Now that’s an interesting way to put it.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by lotsofpulp on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:42AM (#35827984)
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by eunos on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:17AM (#35830330)
India also regulate satellite telephone heavily iirc
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by xxpor on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:06PM (#35833817)
I believe that's because the Mumbai attackers used satphones to communicate with each other.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by isanjay on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:40AM (#35828468)
> Pretty sure Cong will do the same

I hate Congress too.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by eunos on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:25AM (#35830449)
India has no neolib party or libertarian party unfortunately
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by jimsimmons on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:56PM (#35832009)
Classic sanghi whatavoutism to render any criticism irrelevant
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by throwaway384629 on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:49PM (#35833583)
True, one day they might say Nazis also did it.

These comments from this post:

>> EVERY government does this

>> Pretty sure Cong will do the same.

>> And do you think that is different from politicians in other countries?

>> Interestingly the US is busy pushing the EARN IT act again right now.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by eunos on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:36AM (#35840004)
Considering that many posts here just complaining about BJP, I just wisen them up by saying that it's bipartisan, so kinda useless seething over one party.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by stuppo on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:30AM (#35827885)
They are going to loose Karanataka because theier administration was bad. As it should be not. Not beacuse of internet or authroization. Governance remember INC guys is what elects people. Now if you guys can convince Rahul to step and appoint some honest good guy we might at last have some opposition. A good ooposition is very very needed in India. What we have is just far-left Islamist and communists. Against those people would prefer far-right hindus. I am still unsure who to vote. No way i am going to vote INC. That leaves me with other options(Really BJP should be punished for their affairs in Kar).
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by smahs on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:27AM (#35830485)
Since when is left == religious fundamentalism?
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by isanjay on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:39AM (#35830676)
I think he is talking about INC being pro Muslim and do minority pandering to win elections.

I might be totally wrong by the way

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by stereoradonc on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:29AM (#35828361)
Where's the alternative, dude? You'd want a annointed clown in their place?
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by isanjay on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:39AM (#35828457)
I can dislike multiple parties mate.

But BJP coming 3 terms in a row is not good for India. IMO

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by zapdrive on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:26PM (#35832436)
They must be doing something right to keep getting re-elected.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by naravara on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:47PM (#35833556)
Honestly it's probably more to do with the weakness, short-sightedness, and incompetence of their opposition. It's a mark against them that they aren't winning landslides considering who they're up against.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by newswasboring on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:56AM (#35828609)
Yes. I would rather have Rahul Gandhi than Narendra Modi. Rahul Gandhi is not trying to actively destroy the social fabric of the country.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by eklavya on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:40AM (#35829833)
Oh boy, where do I start. It's precisely the policies of Congress that have damaged the social fabric since before the independence.

You would rather have that fool at the helm with rampant corruption, I am glad the majority thinks otherwise.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by Badumtss8 on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:34AM (#35830597)
Electoral Bond. Legal Corruption.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by jimsimmons on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:02PM (#35832103)
Number of alleged patriots who can’t find the rationality in them to criticize electoral bonds is baffling
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by throwaway384629 on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:55PM (#35835052)
If it were the policies of Congress, then why all the BJP leaders keep giving hate speeches and why all the major "news" channels keep spreading religious venom 24/7? Does BJP realize that it's their government now, and they can try to repair the social fabric now?

Isn't corruption slightly better than potential genocide and religious hate?

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by 1024core on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:43AM (#35830738)
LOL... I find your naivete ... saddening.

I grew up in India. I have seen first hand how shitty INC and the Gandhi family are.

Tell me something: why don't they have democracy in INC itself? Who made the Gandhi family the head of INC? Why isn't there any challenger to them? The last person who challenged them in a tiny fashion was Narasimha Rao, who was cast away like a leper and died unsung, even though he was an ex-PM of India.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by jimsimmons on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:58PM (#35832036)
I also grew up in India. Parroting Indian history to justify the present is not how you move the country forward.

Republican Party was the party of Abraham Lincoln. Parties change through their life.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by zapdrive on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:25PM (#35832415)
How has the Congress party changed in the last 30 years? Still headed by a Gandhi or a person remote controlled by the Gandhi family. Their pm candidate Rahul's best qualification is being born a Gandhi. We all know how smart he is. The last vote to choose the party president was heavily ridden by loyalty votes rather than people voting on competency.
Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by jimsimmons on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:43PM (#35832655)
You can find differences just as well you can find similarities. The Modi party btw is not some revolutionary departure from classic Indian politics either.

We are talking about grey stuff and you claim to see black and white things. There’s no way I or anyone else can convince you otherwise

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by 1024core on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:21PM (#35833192)
> You can find differences just as well you can find similarities.

So please tell us what are the differences? I don't see many. It's the same dynastic party that was 120 years ago.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by alephnerd on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:35PM (#35835414)
The Gandhi family (as in the clique surrounding them) does impact the INC negatively in the electoral field.

Himachal Pradesh - the state a significant portion of my family is from - only got the INC in 2022 because the party grassroots had an internal revolt against having a Gandhi apparatchik made CM (Prabhita Singh) and selected Sukku+Agnihotri instead.

In neighborhing Punjab, Gandhi family meddling to undermine Amrinder Singh+Sunhil Jakkar and attempt to put their lackey Navjot Singh Sidhu in charge lead to the INC losing Punjab to the AAP and grassroots Mazahbi+Punjabi Hindu INC members to join the BJP.

In neighboring JK, where the other half of my family is from, internal bickering between the Gandhi family's clique and their opposition lead the former CM of JK (Ghulam Nabi) to quit the INC and he will probably join the BJP out of spite.

The INC lost the entirety of Northeast India because conflicts with Rahul Gandhi in 2014 caused the current CM of Assam (and current contender for heir to Narendra Modi) - Himanta Biswas Sarma - to defect to the BJP and help organize the BJP in Northeast India to completely decimate the INC there.

Personality clashes between the Gandhi family and mid-level INC members has hollowed out the INC, as members either start their own parties (eg. National Congress in Maharashtra, Tiramool Congress in West Bengal, YSR Congress in Andhra Pradesh, Janta Dal United in Bihar, Samajwadi Party in Uttar Pradesh) or defect to the BJP (eg. Amrinder Singh in Punjab; Bommai, the BJP CM of Karnataka, is the son of a major ex-INC politician who started the Janta Dal after a fight with Sonia Gandhi; etc).

If INC wants to succeed at national elections again, they will need to drop the Gandhi family and bring back internal democracy within the organization. Lots of BJP politicians are half hearted in their support of the party and are only doing it out of spite against the current INC.

Alternatively, INC members are increasingly defecting to the AAP as well now too, but they have no shot at National Elections for 20 years at least.

India needs a healthy multi-party electoral system at the national level to prevent Authoritarian Democracy from taking hold, but the internal bickering within the INC is only enabling the BJP further.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by ayush--s on Sunday May 07, 2023 @01:40AM (#35848269)
> Rahul Gandhi is not trying to actively destroy the social fabric of the country.

lmao. that is one of the biggest reason he is hated here.

Re:India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix n... by throwaway384629 on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:50PM (#35833593)
Smaller thug is better than bigger thug!