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>> Sanjiv Bhatt is a former Indian Police Service officer of the Gujarat-cadre. He is known for his role in filing an affidavit in the Supreme Court of India against (the current PM of India), then Chief Minister of the Government of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, concerning Modi's alleged role in the 2002 Gujarat riots. [1]

>> In 2015, Bhatt was removed from the police service, on the grounds of "unauthorised absence". [1]

>> On 20 June 2019, he was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Sessions Court of Jamnagar District in the state of Gujarat in a 1990 custodial death case.[1]

Bhatt is in Jail since his arrest without bail.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Bhatt

>> "They have been investigating the case for 15 months but have not been able to unearth even a single rupee of illegal money. So much time and so many resources have been expended but they haven't been able to prove anything. This is just a political vendetta. The BJP knows it is losing," he said. [1]

[1] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/aaps-sanjay-singh-arrested-b...

Why would anyone be happy with atrocities being committed at people by the government? Do you like such stuff?

Pardon my language. But this is utter bull**t. Have you even read the link that you shared? It says:

>> "Special CBI court allows ED to question Delhi Health Minister Satyendar Jain"

>> "The ED is now probing the money-laundering angle"

>> "Jain is currently in Delhi's Tihar jail in connection with a money-laundering case, which is also being probed by the ED."

Do you know the difference between "jailed after investigation." and "jailed while being probed"?

If tomorrow CBI arrests you on allegation of money laundering and then keeps you in jail for one year while investigating, are you fine with that?

Can you please point me to a single news article which says they recovered any cash? And how much was it?

Can you please also point me to a single BJP leader in whole country who has been jailed while being investigated?

The SA accused BJP leader against whom women wrestlers are protesting was a BJP guest in yesterdays parliament event.

I am just amazed at the analytical abilities of some of today's "engineers" and "entrepreneurs". :(

I have backed everything with sources in my posts? Can you point out if anything is not correct? Or do you have a general issue when something is said against ruling party?

If you really care about reputation of India, how about advising someone in BJP to prevent this type of things from happening at first place?

>> He oversaw the downfall of the freest of wins in world politics anywhere.

BJP under Modi-Shah lost 8 states, 218 by-elections in last two years [1]

Karnataka and Himachal Pradesh are the two states where the BJP has lost to Congress in the last six months. The BJP lost deposits in 38.4% of the seats it contested in Southern Karnataka. [2] [3]

Modi was the face of election campaign and spent whole centre government money and machinery to campaign. Modi speaks a script written by someone else by using a teleprompter and has never given an open & live unscripted press conference in last 8 years ([4] [5] [6]). By your logic, are you trying to say Modi is also incompetent?

>> The exact line you quoted, literally ends with an "if at all" in brackets right after.

Got it. So you are hoping some day China will transition to democracy AFTER industrialization had been achieved, and you think India might need to convert to an authoritarian state in order to successfully escaped poverty? Is my understanding correct?

Also, you haven's still answered my 2 questions:

1. How is "The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill."?

2. What do you mean about this: "We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party"?

[1] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/bjp-under-modi-sha...

[2] https://time.com/6280139/india-modi-bjp-congress-karnataka-e...

[3] https://www.thehindu.com/data/data-how-significant-is-bjps-d...

[4] https://www.reuters.com/article/india-election-modi/at-his-f...

[5] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/rti-pmo-pm-narendra-mo...

[6] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/why-hasnt-pm-mod...

Mohammed Zubair and Pratik Sinha are Indian journalists and the co-founders of Alt News, an Indian non-profit fact-checking website. They were nominated for the 2022 Nobel Peace Prize. They have fact checked the claims from all political parties. [1]

>> Zubair was arrested and incarcerated by the Delhi Police for a month. His detention raised further concerns about the state of India's press freedom under Narendra Modi's premiership and was widely criticized by journalistic bodies, human rights organizations and the political opposition who allege that the arrest was an act of revenge against his role in Alt News' work of combating disinformation.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zubair_(journalist)

Exactly my point!

1. BJP still control most of the mainstream media.

2. BJP has in past offered plum post retirement positions to judges after they delivered some controversial decisions in favour of BJP.

3. BJP has full control on Election commission, and the electronic voting machines. Despite multiple reposts of voting machines found in cars of BJP candidates, or videos of faulty machines showing votes in favour of BJP, and despite calls for letting opposition parties inspect machines, Election commission has never let them inspect the machines.

4. A large number of bigots are in various positions in various administrative services and in recent years they have started showing their hate in open.

BJP brought the Citizenship Act and the National Register of Citizens to act against the minority.

>> "Will remove every single infiltrator, except Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs: Amit Shah" [1]

Archive.org snapshot of now deleted tweet from BJP official account [2]

[1] https://indianexpress.com/elections/will-remove-every-single...

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20190520193044/https://twitter.c...

We also used to a time in Germany in 1940s. We should not let that happen again anywhere in the world.

>> It’s hard to argue against fattening pocketbooks and rising living standards.

You mean Adani's? [1]

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/gautam-s-ada...

>> India is the fastest growing large economy in the world

Source please?

>> inflation is under control

Cooking Gas cylinder price: [1] June 2017: 552.50 May 2023: 1103.00

Petrol price (Even when India is importing dirt cheap crude oil from Russia): [2] Dec 2015: 60.00/litre May 2023: 100.00/litre

>> - The infrastructure spend is the largest ever. There's construction everywhere.

If certain companies and politically linked builders are building then that does not mean country is progressing.

[1] https://www.bankbazaar.com/gas-connection/lpg-price-delhi.ht...

[2] https://www.mypetrolprice.com/petrol-price-chart.aspx

Aam Aadmi Party is one such party. Here is their 70 points action plan that they promised in 2015:

https://aamaadmiparty.org/delhi-government-2/aap-manifesto-2...

And here is the public status check of each promise:

https://www.indiatoday.in/diu/story/aap-s-5-year-report-card...

Despite giving free electricity up to 200 Units/month, free water up to 20KL/month, free bus travel for women, the state budget is still surplus.

The 2 leaders who made it possible are currently put in Jail by Modi Government. [1]

[1] https://www.outlookindia.com/national/sisodia-jain-arrested-...

I am playing a role that any well functioning journalist should play. Question the government and point out any wrong doings. Isn't is a core aspect of democracy? Do you see anything wrong in that?

>> All indian political parties are low quality trash in their own ways. Agree. But the one having power currently is the focus. Be it any party.

As per govt, out of 140 crore Indians, 80 crore rely on government for free food. That is 57% of Indians need government help for free food. [1]

If You Earn Rs 25,000 (USD 300) Per Month, You're Among India's Top 10% Income Earners [2]

>> I travel to India once or twice a year for both pleasure and business. I can only tell you what I feel and see.

You may be able to travel to India and got 1 USD converted to INR 80, then may be its a win for you, but not for other Indians. I am not sure, but you might have been able to afford somewhat better way to travel/stay/eat than most of the Indians can. So what you feel and see might not be closer to reality for most of Indians.

>> I see incredible infrastructure changes...

So if a few private companies own most of India's infra, and building shopping malls, or if few politically connected builders building high rise buildings, or if roads/flyovers being built by private companies for which public will pay toll through their noses for years to come, then in my humble opinion, this is is not real development that you should give credit to the government. This is indeed the failure of the government.

>> Tons of airports being built and improved.

Government did sell a number of already built airports to Adani. Now Adani may make it a shiny new airpot and start charging fees for everything in airport but I don't see it as an achievement of Government. [3]

[1] https://news.abplive.com/news/india/cabinet-decision-80-cror...

[2] https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/if-you-earn-rs-25000-p...

[3] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation...

>> The West is so pristine it doesn't arrest protesters at all. Nor do Government agencies kill people randomly. Nor does it indulge in assassinations...

Classic Example of whataboutery.

Looks like you are trying to respond to be without understanding the topic first and your above comment does not relate.

My reply was to this comment which said:

1. "The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill"

2. "We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party"

Can you please let me know how any of above 2 statements are correct?

Also, to your other comment: >> There's a reason why Meta, Google and Aramco want to pour money into the country.

Companies like Meta, Google and Aramco invest and try to invest in all the counties for their own growth. This is also to target the huge population of India. These companies also invested in China, that does not make China any better. Can you please share a source for "infrastructure growth and economic policies have caught pace"?

PM Modi was literally giving a speech on "how we are the coolest democracy in the world" few kilo-meters away from where the protesters were arrested.

>> Take the World Happiness Index 2023 which ranked India lower than Pakistan ...

May be World Happiness Index 2023 data is bit flawed. But I don't think that means whole world is sharing propaganda against India.

>> Heck we get 100Mbps-1Gbps unlimited internet connectivity anywhere in India at the lowest rates possible in the entire World.

How is it an achievement of Government while this was done by private companies like Reliance at the cost of public owned BSNL? Government actually let the loss of public tax payers money by giving favourable treatment to private companies.

Modi and his fans always talk about low prices of internet in India, while its a failure of government to control Reliance where Reliance is using money raised from state bank to give dirt cheap internet connection to public and killing the competition. They have already started raising the prices now that several competitors are gone. [1]

Reliance raises money from public banks, Reliance uses that money to get tower network of public owned BSNL, Reliance gets priority over BSNL to launch 4G, Reliance is in profit while BSNL is in loss, Government employee phone connections are transferred from BSNL to private entity Reliance. [2] [3] [4]

>> I don't need some stupid organization in the West to tell me I am more unhappy than these countries.

Why care about other stupid organizations while you have "Whatsapp university" to keep us informed. [5]

[1] https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/your-phone-b...

[2] https://www.livemint.com/industry/telecom/reliance-jio-emerg...

[3] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/state-polic...

[4] https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/forget-5g-bs...

[5] https://www.outlookindia.com/national/the-age-of-whatsapp-un...

>> I haven't even included UPI in this which has been an absolute game changer.

Wasn't the work on UPI started in 2009 and the vision statement was prepared in 2012, 2 years before Modi/BJP came to power?

>> In April 2009, National Payment Corporation of India (NPCI) was formed to integrate all the payment mechanisms in India and make them uniform for all retail payments. RBI in 2012 released a vision statement for a period of four years that indicated commitment towards building a safe, efficient, accessible, inclusive, interoperable and authorized payment and settlement system in India. UPI was officially launched in 2016 for public use. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

May be you are on same page with the parent poster. But I answered to the parent comment mentioning most of the claims are wrong.

Btw, selling government assets to private companies, or getting the new roads constructed and charging tolls on them does not exactly considered as a government achievement.

Wow! Most of what you mentioned is plain wrong. Not sure if you are mistaken or lying knowingly.

>> The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill.

Crop burning is already outlawed in India and enforced with fines. Why you need to make a new law for something which is already illegal? Below was the actual central idea of the farm bill:

"The laws would have deregulated a system of government-run wholesale markets, allowing farmers to sell directly to food processors, but farmers feared that this would result in the end of government-guaranteed price floors, thereby reducing the prices they would receive for their crops."[1]

>> We do not vote for Presidents in India.

Again, wrong. The 2022 Indian presidential election was held on 18 July 2022 to elect the president of India. The election was the 16th presidential election in India since the Partition. [2]

>> incompetent ~6th generation heir of the Nehru/Gandhi family

Source please?

>> There is a ton of optimism around jobs, infrastructure growth and economic policies

Source please? You must be living in an alternate world.

>> Every single one of them only transitioned to a proper liberal democracy

So, China is a "proper liberal democracy" as per you? Also can you please share a source to support your claims?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Indian_agriculture_acts

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Indian_presidential_elect...

Is "Congress party also bad!" still a primary defence of Mr. Modi who is in power for about 10 years now?

I think NRIs are praising Modi because he is helping with the fall of Rupee as compared to other currencies so NRIs get maximum return when they send home USD.

Will you be able to share some examples of "at least doing some work in various areas"?

1. I see BJP government as expert in data manipulator and creating smoke screens through their network of social media cell and mainstream TV channels. [1]

2. As per Govt data, over 80 crore people in India currently depend upon government for free food. [2]

3. Modi government manipulated the GDP calculation method to show higher GDP growth. [3]

4. Modi government changed the calculation method to measure the length of highways. Going by lane km, the total length of highways constructed during 2017-18 fiscal comes to 34,378 km as against 9829 km if counted linearly. [4]

[1] https://zeenews.india.com/india/get-maths-lessons-bjp-faces-...

[2] https://www.livemint.com/news/india/over-80-crore-people-to-...

[3] https://scroll.in/article/954986/the-daily-fix-is-modi-gover...

[4] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/now-new-concept-to...

I would also like to share examples on how Modi Government Jails every honest opposition leader who does development work for general public and gets popular.

2 leaders of Aam Aadmi Party (a primary opponent to PM Modi) are lodged in Jail for months without trial. Same judge appointment by Modi government somehow gets all the cases related to Aam Aadmi Party and orders to extend the judicial custody month after month.

Satyendra Jain, the man behind world famous Delhi Mohalla Clinic (Neighbourhood Clinic) is in jail awaiting trial since May 2022 on allegations of money laundering. [1] [2] [3]

Manish Sisodia, the man behind public education revolution in New Delhi is in jail awaiting trial since Feb 2023 on allegations of corruption in creating Delhi Excise Policy. [4] [5] [6]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyendra_Kumar_Jain

[2] https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/former-un-chief-ban-ki...

[3] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/even-kasab-got-a-fair-trial-...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manish_Sisodia

[5] https://www.timesnownews.com/delhi/nyt-report-lauds-delhi-go...

[6] https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2023/mar/21/if...

I think that any "Tom, Dick, and Harry" party is better than the Nazi party.