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Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by obiefernandez on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:49PM (#35821858)
If you're technical just get yourself OpenAI API access which is super cheap and hook it up to your own self-hosted ChatGPT clone like https://github.com/magma-labs/magma-chat

The wait for GPT-4 is not as long as it used to be, and when you're using the API directly there's no censorship.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by ineedasername on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:46PM (#35822537)
Yep, I use the paid API, and it’s a lot more flexible than ChatGPT. I’d didn’t know about the self-hosted interface though: that will be my project for tomorrow morning, thanks!

I’ve been on the GPT-4 waitlist for about 6 weeks, but I’m not sure what the typical wait is.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by DesiLurker on Thursday May 04, 2023 @06:22PM (#35822902)
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Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by rcpt on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:37PM (#35823556)
> when you're using the API directly there's no censorship.

Wait seriously?

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by ineedasername on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:16PM (#35823847)
There’s a bit. When I used the openai playground I have received warnings about response potentially being bad, but using the API directly I don’t even get warnings like that.

Testing things out, it will produce vile and hateful content on demand. However it won’t say anything. If I specifically tell it to use some words I get the same type of content warning but also an extra note about those words, and that I have to contact openai support if my use case truly requires their use.

There’s also the fact that using or distributing such content is against TOS, so I suppose could simply ban you

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by reissbaker on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:19PM (#35823862)
Not exactly. The "censorship" is the RLHF tuning in the chat models as far as I understand it; the API for the chat models is the same AFAIK. The base models don't have censorship, but there are no base models available for API access for GPT-4, only a chat model. You can use the GPT-3-era base models, but, well, they're not as good as GPT-4.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:08AM (#35827249)
Or you go to Microsoft Azure and use the GPT-3.5 base model: code-davinci-002.

Though they could still use "observational" censorship there, i.e. analyze your prompt with a different model. OpenAI does that, not sure about Microsoft.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by ineedasername on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:19PM (#35823868)
Magma wants me to use my google credentials to login. I’ll pass on that, it shouldn’t be required in anything self hosted which makes me distrust it a bit right off the bat.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by chillfox on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:34PM (#35823959)
"just get yourself OpenAI API access"

Could you please describe how one "just" do that? I have been on the GPT-4 API waitlist since it was announced and I still don't have access to the GPT-4 API.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by taf2 on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:12AM (#35826930)
Try again it’s very likely you will have better results if you try to ask more then once…
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by QkPrsMizkYvt on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:47AM (#35826421)
Did you come across some other self-hosted ChatGPT clones that you can recommend?