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Re:Renting Horsepower by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:11PM (#35819731)
>are people really this devoted to corps or are they shills?

I think a lot of people defend this because they themselves work for tech companies who's products or services are also profitable due to some for of rent-seeking which ensure great profits and wages that wouldn't be possible otherwise.

It is indeed hypocritical to criticize automakers for doing the same thing beloved tech companies are doing which is what makes them so profitable and nobody bats an eye.

Re:Renting Horsepower by JediWing on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:09PM (#35820594)
Continually running a service with its own recurring costs with additional improvements (SaaS) justifies a subscription, because your product is constantly improving, and constantly incurring costs.

A one-time car purchase costs the car company some capex upfront. They actually incur more cost running whatever DRM servers lock these motors down to prop up this extortionary business model.

Re:Renting Horsepower by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:21PM (#35820766)
Are you saying there's no rent-seeking SW out there?
Re:Renting Horsepower by JediWing on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:43PM (#35821063)
There certainly are, I'm just pointing out that much of the software that is charging a subscription is doing so to more closely structure their revenue to their expenditures.
Re:Renting Horsepower by matheusmoreira on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:16PM (#35821482)
Software as a service is a continuous operation. Cars aren't. Not hypocritical at all. No one cares that they want to be as profitable as big techs. We want to own our damn cars. We want to accelerate as much as we want. It's that simple and requires no further justification.

We take issue with big techs locking down computers too. No problem with them running whatever they want on their servers but we want to run whatever we want on our computers too without their interference.

Re:Renting Horsepower by Dalewyn on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:34PM (#35821689)
>Software as a service is a continuous operation.

I would pay to get software not as a service. Fuck your updates, I don't want bloody updates that end up breaking my stuff and wasting my time. Give me one version, no updates and no support, and I will give you top dollars. If I want an update I'll come back to repeat the process again, giving you top dollars again, several years down the road.

Are big purchases every several years cheaper than a subscription? I don't know and I don't care. Sell me your fucking software as a fucking static product, I am happy to pay the premium for it.

Re:Renting Horsepower by matheusmoreira on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:40PM (#35821754)
That's okay, I was just pointing out that it's not hypocritical at all. Personally I'd rather have free as in freedom software running locally on unlocked computers. This should be the norm and use of technology like remote attestation to penalize us for exercising our freedoms should be illegal.
Re:Renting Horsepower by kingTug on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:01PM (#35822026)
I guess I sort of grew up in the SaaS era - to this day it blows my mind that one of the most perfect pieces of software I have ever enjoyed - N64's Goldeneye - was created by ~10 devs, who had one single release. I often fantasize about joining team like that while daydreaming in the poker-card scrum sessions at the agile sweatshop I currently take my paycheck from :/
Re:Renting Horsepower by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:22PM (#35822256)
>N64's Goldeneye - was created by ~10 devs, who had one single release

Wait till you hear how many people it took to build Roaler Coaster Tycoon .... in assembly. Spoiler alert: 1; one; uno.

Re:Renting Horsepower by ShroudedNight on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:54PM (#35822629)
Chris Sawyer's achievements are definitely the stuff of legend.