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Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by Maxburn on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:11AM (#35814713)
Can we make congressmen actually read the bills they vote on?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by lockhouse on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:21AM (#35814852)
Yes, a bill should have to be read out loud in its entirety by its sponsor in public before any voting can occur.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by LastTrain on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:46AM (#35815245)
Now /that’s/ some bureaucracy
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by edgyquant on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:59AM (#35815443)
It would result in them being shorter
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by malfist on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:08AM (#35815578)
Is shorter better?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by airstrike on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:10AM (#35815603)
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.

-- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by snvzz on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:19AM (#35816786)
Seen this quote recently, in some book about RISC-V.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by malfist on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:34PM (#35889758)
That doesn't mean shorter is always better. When you take away necessary detail to make things shorter, you wind up with a shorter, less perfect law.

For instance, if the law was "No driving over 70mph on I-75", shortening the law to "No driving" isn't an improvement. And even if we maintain the detail and shorten to "No 70+mph driving @ I-75" it doesn't improve things.

Concise is good. shortness for shortness sake is not. We don't need to be playing code golf with laws.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by lockhouse on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:29AM (#35815920)
Shorter makes it harder to stuff it full of pork.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by hirundo on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:02AM (#35816466)
People who trust government often want general laws that give the state maximal flexibility and power. Such laws can be very short, e.g. "Let there be justice." Think of it as negotiating your three wishes with an adversarial genie. You might find yourself adding a lot of detail.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by LastTrain on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:38PM (#35821729)
It would result in a pointless formal exercise simply designed to make things more difficult without any tangible benefit. Bureaucracy.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by ursuscamp on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:49AM (#35815299)
On the floor, with a majority present.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by anonymouskimmer on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:56PM (#35818531)
Nothing you do can keep the majority awake.

Budget bills in particular can get really tedious. And any bill that, say, strikes or adds a word to already extant law, would require reading the entirety of the law so changed.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by lockhouse on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:40PM (#35820158)
I don’t care if they stay awake, I want to end omnibus Bible sized bills full of pork and erosions of our rights being put in bills that would otherwise be in the interests of the people.

Forcing them the discomfort of having to read it out loud all by themselves should help greatly with that.

I’m looking at you former speaker of the house that said we have to pass the bill to know what’s in it.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by anonymouskimmer on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:54PM (#35820369)
This will incentive Congress to delegate more than they do now. Instead of line items for each major expense in a budget bill, they'll just assign X billions of dollars to Y agency to parcel out as the agency director wishes.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by lockhouse on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:29PM (#35821633)
Yes and that will reduce pork by no longer mandating the Army to buy a specific number of tanks that are built in an important Congressman’s district when they really need money to fix a barracks.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by anonymouskimmer on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:31PM (#35821663)
You'd hope so, but this will probably be covered by only appointing people willing to delve out pork as directors of the agencies.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by BLKNSLVR on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:44AM (#35817223)
Self-filibuster?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by kmeisthax on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:27PM (#35820845)
While we're at it, every Git pull request should have to be read out in full. No `git diff` - that's just as bad as what Congress does. Read every source file, even the ones that didn't changed, just to be sure. /s
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by BeFlatXIII on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:59PM (#35822005)
The self-filibuster. I fully support it.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by samstave on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:51AM (#35815326)
Don't allow them to vote on anything they cant pass a basic comprehension test on.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by ejb999 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:14AM (#35815670)
We should have the same requirement for people voting in elections.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by colejohnson66 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:36AM (#35816035)
We tried that a century ago, but it was just racism in disguise. Why would we assume any questionnaire people must take today won't be abused for agendas?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by vuln on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:21AM (#35816821)
> Why would we assume any questionnaire people must take today won't be abused for other agendas?

Same with voter ID. It’s touted as “racist” although other poorer countries easily handle the issue of voter ID.

It’s almost as if one political party amasses power by continually brow beating their constituents into a victim mentality.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by ejb999 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:13AM (#35815648)
I think the new rule is you need to pass it first, and then find out what is in it.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by briantakita on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:13AM (#35815649)
> Can Congress pass a law outlawing giving bills cute names that are completely irrelevant to the intent of the law? Once they get that accomplished they can work on something else

It's sometimes helpful to look at the name of the bill & assume that the bill will achieve the exact opposite.

> Can we make congressmen actually read the bills they vote on?

Most Congress members vote based on spheres of influence, not spheres of interest. The lobbyists that fund the politician's campaign tells the politician how to vote & the consequences of voting against the lobbyist's wishes.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by Maxburn on Thursday May 04, 2023 @01:10PM (#35818776)
Sort of a Betteridge's law of headlines situation.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by BeFlatXIII on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:58PM (#35821986)
Or at least require a full verbal reading of the bill before voting? Stop the 4000-page moster bills with a self-filibuster.