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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by low_tech_love on Sunday April 30, 2023 @01:40PM (#35764791)
As a non-USAer, I strongly disagree. There are probably a handful of other countries watching you right now (in a broad, abstract sense) and the USA is the least of our concerns. There is a reason why nothing significant came out of it: every other country knows that this is happening (not exactly but roughly) and they know there are much worse problems to worry about, given other strong international players such as Russia and China. There is no ”surveillance free world” alternative. The USA is a very strong and stable democracy (maybe even the strongest) so I think it’s naive to think that removing them from the board would be a good thing.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by penneallagricia on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:08PM (#35765046)
This isn't about removing the USA from the board, this is about letting the truth out. That thing we claim to base our democracies upon.

Your argument boils down to giving up our supposedly better values in order to defeat the "evil guys".

I also refuse to accept that our future is under the hegemony of any single nation. So far the only country we have proof of going for hegemony is the USA. Russia and China are concerned with their borders and it's trivial to verify my assessment Is correct. Just compare military expenses and amount of military bases owned across the world.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by achenet on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:15AM (#35815681)
> Russia and China are concerned with their borders and it's trivial to verify my assessment Is correct.

Russia is invading a neighboring country, and from talking to Lithuanians, the Russia people seem rather keen on returning to the "good old days" of the Soviet Empire.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by bombolo on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:16PM (#35765135)
As a person living in Sweden, it seems that my most immediate concern is USA. They are the ones that can ask the swedish government to make up some BS accusations to arrest me and eventually ship me to USA where I will be tortured.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by ineedasername on Sunday April 30, 2023 @04:18PM (#35766242)
Seems like your most immediate concern should be the Swedish government. They’re the ones required to actually agree & implement actions based on the BS accusation.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by bombolo on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:13PM (#35766680)
So we should focus on the goons and ignore the boss sending them? Makes total sense.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by ineedasername on Sunday April 30, 2023 @08:50PM (#35767961)
It's not either or. But in this situation the Swedish people have a better chance of influencing their own government than the one trying to get it to do what it wants. In this situation the boss is powerless over swedish people if the goons lose their power.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by bombolo on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:28AM (#35769998)
LOL because they'd call a vote for this right?

Except very extreme fringes, every big party will bend over to do whatever USA tells them to do, regardless of what their voting base thinks.

See how they are changing the laws so that it's legal to send kurds in turkey to die.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by ineedasername on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:35AM (#35773338)
Kick the big party out of office. If a someone can't hurt you except by getting a someone else to do it, and that person only has the power you give it, deal with that person.

I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that the statement "my most immediate concern..." is incorrect. What's more likely: 1) demands from Swedish citizens to the USA actually stopping the USA from using Sweden in its geopolitics? Or 2) Demands from Swedish citizens to the government they empower?

If it's only the extreme fringes, then maybe most people in Sweden simply don't have much of a problem with it or don't care either way, or have more immediately pressing problems to deal with, or something else. Whatever the reason, if you don't like it then your most immediate problem is dealing with the roadblocks to getting your government to stop doing it.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by bombolo on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:32PM (#35778758)
"most immediate concern" was in regard USA spying foreign citizens vs china doing so. I was saying that FOR ME, a citizen of "the west", USA is more dangerous.

You might write all the long comments you like, and suggest me to vote (lol, i see that's working very well in USA as well), but the fact remains.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by low_tech_love on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:55PM (#35779004)
As a person living in Sweden, I think your (and my) immediate concern should be the Swedish government. It's a weak, spineless, and outdated institution that only worked for a few decades because it relied on the homogeneity of the population's opinions (and the unwillingness of those opposed to voice their opinions) to make decisions based on a fake idea of common sense.

Assange is just one example, merely an outlier. Random immigrants, perfectly productive and integrated into the country, including children, are being deported everyday for no special reason. Families are being separated, careers are being destroyed, just because they want to look "strong".

On the other hand, not a single criminal or terrorist is deported; why? Because they will make a fuss. Because there is a bunch of spoiled Swedish people who never experienced hardship with nothing better to do than to defend outdated ridiculous socialist/communist ideas, and they will kick and scream if a criminal is deported. And the coward government is afraid of having to deal with that.

Deport a working, honest immigrant, and they will not say anything. They comply, go out, and try again. If you're one of them, that is what you should be concerned with.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by bombolo on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:56AM (#35814521)
> And the coward government is afraid of having to deal with that.

Uuuh??? They are the ones talking about taking away citizenship from people (with dual citizenship I hope, otherwise it's against human rights), exactly to be able to deport even swedish citizens.

At this point becoming a citizen would become completely meaningless.

And they got voted in power, so I guess they have support from the majority of people.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by amrocha on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:43PM (#35765377)
Let me guess, you're not from South America or Africa or the middle east or southeast Asia?

The US government is the most destructive force in history

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by zirgs on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:20AM (#35770295)
The US government prevents my country from being bombed by Russia. Without NATO we would suffer the same fate as Ukraine right now.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by amrocha on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:54AM (#35770478)
Broken clock right twice a day kinda deal. The US staged a coup in my country and supported a military dictatorship. Historically the US has done way more meddling than peacekeeping.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by Aeolun on Sunday April 30, 2023 @09:20PM (#35768153)
> stable democracy

Stable? We had an honest-to-god raid on the capitol just a few years ago.

At the very least I’d be a little bit nervous about the prospects of democracy if the organizer of that raid gets re-elected.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by low_tech_love on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:28PM (#35778687)
The raid was almost universally criticized and had 0 long term consequences. Yes it was stupid but a small amount of shaking does not bring down a solid structure. Take a look at what happened to some other countries around the world where similar raids happened: some of them have been stuck in violent meaningless dictatorships for decades.

Don't get me wrong; I'm center-left and democrat-aligned, but with all due respect, if you cannot see how your country has an incredible foundation, you are naive and has a shallow understanding of the world.