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Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by kibwen on Saturday April 29, 2023 @07:09PM (#35758177)
> Plus electric goes out often. Gas doesn’t.

Most gas appliances also require electricity to run, and in addition the broader gas infrastructure itself requires electricity to compress the gas so that it reaches the consumer. There's no getting around the need for reliable electric infrastructure; centralized gas infrastructure won't save you from unreliable electricity.

Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by AdamJacobMuller on Saturday April 29, 2023 @10:49PM (#35759316)
> centralized gas infrastructure won't save you from unreliable electricity

It absolutely will and the gas infrastructure is far more reliable than the electricity one.

My gas fired boiler can heat my house for days running off my Yeti battery pack.

That same Yeti couldn't put a dent in the cold weather we had this year.

Running my generator (on LP or NG or Gasoline) would allow me to keep my boiler running effectively indefinitely. Heating my home directly would be way more dangerous.

While you're correct that it's possible that NG supply can be disrupted, it's far less vulnerable to disruption than electricity. The natural gas supply is entirely underground and the natural gas infrastructure you're talking about that requires compression to pump to consumers has a built-in supply of fuel for running generators to generate electricity to run those compressors in an emergency.

There were innumerable electricity disruptions where I live in the almost 40 years I've lived here. Mostly short ones (under one hour) but several much longer ones (12+ hours). Without NG heat in my home I would have been forced to evacuate on a number of occasions. I've had one, single, disruption to my NG supply in 40 years. PSE&G found a leak in the gas lines in our street, this didn't cause a supply disruption however but put us (and a lot of our town somehow) on an expedited list to have all of our NG lines replaced. PSE&G came around and trenched in new high-pressure gas lines along the streets (still not disrupting our supply) and then a few weeks later they individually came and swapped each home to utilize the new high-pressure gas by fishing a smaller HP PEX pipe down the old gas pipe from our old service. No new trench from street-house, just a pit in the street and a pit alongside our foundation and a new exterior meter and pressure regulator. Exceedingly well done process and incredibly smooth. They even had a cool soft-tracked excavator so it didn't damage our lawn! Total outage was about 2 hours. How many nines of reliability is two hours of outage in 40 years?

Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by brewdad on Sunday April 30, 2023 @12:27AM (#35759684)
Even in extreme cold environments, assuming your home is properly insulated, a 12 hour power outage means you might have to put on a sweater. Yes, multi-day outages are a problem but I think I’ve experienced two of them in my 50 years of life. Not worth worrying about.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by christophilus on Sunday April 30, 2023 @07:40AM (#35761664)
My in-laws use their gas stove whenever the power goes out. I don’t use my electric stove when that happens. It happens maybe once a year, so I don’t really care. But if you’re in a place where outages are more frequent, it’s definitely a point in gas’ favor. On the other hand, I wouldn’t want to use gas without my hood fan properly working, so… I’m not sure what my point is anymore.