Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by annexrichmond on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:18PM
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Why can’t people make safety decisions for themselves? Many people will choose electric/induction stoves, or not rent an apartment with a gas stove. But many people do prefer it, and I don’t think it should be up to you or the government whether something is “good” for them or not.
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Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by CydeWeys on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:28PM
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Most people in NYC rent, and there are many other considerations to make when picking an apartment to move into besides what kind of stove it has. You're often taking what you can get. This law will mean that, going forward, there will be more apartments available that don't have air-quality-destroying gas stoves, meaning there'll be more suitable places for people to pick from.
Also, as the other commenter said, these are apartment buildings. If you burn your apartment down it's gonna affect your neighbors. If you mess up your indoor air quality it's gonna affect your neighbors.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by annexrichmond on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:34PM
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Surely there are other ways to incentivize non gas stoves than outright banning it in all new buildings.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by heatmiser on Saturday April 29, 2023 @06:57PM
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To what end?
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by iamdamian on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:46PM
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This regulation unfortunately targets the entire state of New York and includes not just NYC renters but also home owners.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by arijun on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:32PM
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Do you have the same opinion on fire escapes? After all, it should be my choice to endanger myself so I can pay a little less in rent.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by annexrichmond on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:36PM
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And who is protesting the existence of fire escapes? Since my argument was about freedom of choice, that couldn’t be more of a false equivalence.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by TaylorAlexander on Saturday April 29, 2023 @06:49PM
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The briefest of search finds a page claiming that landlords opposed fire escape regulation when it was introduced, as it was costly and supposedly unattractive. I would not be surprised if some of them argued for freedom of choice in the matter.
https://americacomesalive.com/the-invention-of-the-fire-esca...
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by hdisjdudh on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:28PM
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many people will rent and have no say on what's better for them
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by annexrichmond on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:38PM
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I’ve searched for apartments many times in my life, and both options were always plentiful. If it’s important enough to someone they will have a say.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by Eric_WVGG on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:29PM
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All kinds of reasons. Besides widespread societal misinformation going back to the tobacco lobbyist days, a five-year-old cannot express a preference not to inhale toxic fumes.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by newZWhoDis on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:28PM
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Unfortunately we crossed that bridge a long time ago…
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by the_gastropod on Saturday April 29, 2023 @06:03PM
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For one reason, your decision to use a gas stove affects all the people who live within proximity of you. Everyone’s air quality could be affected, and everyone’s risk of carbon monoxide poisoning increases, and everyone’s risk of fire increases.
No one is an island.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by pathartl on Saturday April 29, 2023 @06:27PM
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I think they're missing the point that the ban is for New York. You know, one of the most densely populated areas in the country?
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by HWR_14 on Sunday April 30, 2023 @07:33AM
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Because in an apartment building your neighbor's apartment being on fire has a high degree of correlation to if your apartment catches on fire (or gets smoke/water damage).
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui...
by kllrnohj on Sunday April 30, 2023 @09:21AM
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How do you effectively mandate that those building owners are maintaining their gas lines and ensuring they aren't leaking?
This is where it stops being "personal responsibility"
Also you personally can still have gas anyway, you just don't get government subsidized gas infrastructure anymore. Go get your own propane tank or whatever. Go be "personally independent"