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Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by 0zemp2c on Friday April 28, 2023 @06:47PM (#35748090)
what do you want Congress to do?

if they increase spending, you get more inflation, and then they have to eventually pay higher rates on their own debt

if they cut spending, they can deflate the economy, and they can't attract the tax revenues to pay their own debt

no good options in a society that has OD'd on debt since the mid 90s

if we were honest, the President would go on TV and tell us we are just going to be poorer for a while, which is something most people already know anyway

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by JumpCrisscross on Friday April 28, 2023 @06:48PM (#35748104)
> if they cut spending, they can deflate the economy, and they can't attract the tax revenues to pay their own debt

This is not a serious constraint on deficit reduction.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by collegeburner on Friday April 28, 2023 @09:33PM (#35749134)
core pce just printed at 4.6 and ur worried about deflation?

services inflation printed at 7.3% and ur worried about deflation?

that's not a valid opinion atp. we're so far from overcorrecting its scary. spending is still up over pre corona levels. ppl still drawing down excess savings. bank crisis is a real concern and prob reads through to equivalent of a few rate hikes (slok @ apollo says 150bps, most say lower)

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by rcpt on Friday April 28, 2023 @09:41PM (#35749172)
Real estate gets around $150B per year in federal tax cuts. End that. Housing goes down. Inflation fixed.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by candiddevmike on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:08PM (#35749651)
The amount of buy and hold slumlords that don't pay any taxes is staggering. Paper losses due to depreciation yet they're wealthy as can be.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by tekknik on Sunday April 30, 2023 @09:19AM (#35762280)
How do you not pay taxes on property?
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by candiddevmike on Friday April 28, 2023 @09:46PM (#35749206)
Increase corporate taxes like everyone was telling them to. Soak up the COVID PPP helicopter money.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by tekknik on Sunday April 30, 2023 @09:16AM (#35762254)
Then throw us deeper into a recession since business won’t invest in expanding anymore?
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by tflinton on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:04PM (#35749636)
A few things:

Disincentivize property investments in family homes.

Return R&D tax credits.

Return so a semblance of the glass & steagall act.

Up the amount of coverage the FDIC is authorized to cover even before regulators need to take over.

Allow an upfront loan privately for banks to lend against temporarily with stock put as collateral.

Up the corporate tax rate.

Remove the cap on SALT taxes for those under 400k.

Change marginal tax rates for individuals.

There insane amount of things congress can do if they just… do it.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by refurb on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:21PM (#35749708)
Wow, those would probably have major negative consequences for the economy.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by pclmulqdq on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:48PM (#35749842)
Those are all things that increase the size of the money supply. A fiscal policy that cracks inflation needs higher taxes and lower spending, which in turn reduces the amount of money in the system.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by dragonwriter on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:52PM (#35749865)
> A fiscal policy that cracks inflation needs higher taxes and lower spending, which in turn reduces the amount of money in the system.

Why would you want a fiscal policy to crack inflation? Better to crack it with monetary policy and use fiscal policy to mitigate adverse distributional effects of the monetary policy, since its easier not to overshoot badly that way than with contractionary fiscal policy.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by pclmulqdq on Saturday April 29, 2023 @12:26AM (#35750024)
You would ideally not like fiscal and monetary policy working against each other. Having them work in opposite directions is what got us in this mess. Also, you can't stop inflation while also mitigating the adverse effects of it. You stop inflation by making people poorer.

Also, while monetary policy can be adjusted more frequently, those adjustments take a while to move through the economy, so maybe you want to be careful with it or you will crush a few too many banks.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by dragonwriter on Saturday April 29, 2023 @12:37AM (#35750072)
> Also, you can’t stop inflation while also mitigating the adverse effects of it.

Yes, you can stop inflation while also mitigating the adverse distributional effects (adverse short-term aggregate effects, no, but that’s not what I said to mitigate.)

> You stop inflation by making people poorer.

You stop inflation by making people poorer in aggregate. Ideally you want to do that by compressing available resources, rather than doing so in equal proportions across the spectrum of means, and either of those is better than disproportionately making those already poor poorer.

Monetary policy is good for addressing the aggregate target, but its not a very good tool for tuning distributional impacts; fiscal policy is much capable of steering distribution of impacts.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by pclmulqdq on Saturday April 29, 2023 @07:07AM (#35751844)
I think you're generally ignoring the velocity of money. A dollar held by a startup or a poor person is much more inflationary than a dollar held by a big company or rich person - those dollars are moving fast. I assume, from your comment, that you are interested in protecting those two groups.

If you want to combat inflation, you need to reduce demand, which really means removing "hot" dollars from the economy, not "cold" dollars.

So no, you likely can't mitigate the adverse "distributional" effects the way you want, while also effectively fighting inflation. Everyone needs to get poorer.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by dragonwriter on Saturday April 29, 2023 @10:12AM (#35753027)
> I think you're generally ignoring the velocity of money

No, I’m not.

> A dollar held by a startup or a poor person is much more inflationary than a dollar held by a big company or rich person

Rich people have to lose more money in aggregate for the same inflation effect as poorer people losing the same amount of money, sure.

But that's fine, because its a lot less bad for rich people to lose a lot of money than people whose ability to meet basic needs is marginal to lose a little money, so, yes, my statement that the distributional goal should be compression when the broad goals is anti-inflationary was exactly what I intended, even including consideration of velocity of money in the domestic economy.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by pclmulqdq on Saturday April 29, 2023 @10:58AM (#35753502)
I'm pretty sure there literally isn't enough money held by rich people to have the effect that you want.

The top 1% own about 25% of assets in the US, and of that the vast majority are likely illiquid and non-cash. If you assume that the top 1% hypothetically hold 10% of the cash, then draining their cash accounts to 0 and burning it would be equivalent (not counting money velocity) to everyone else taking a 10% haircut. If you attempt to account for the velocity of money, that would likely only be a small single-digit percentage. The CPI is higher than that, and many lower- and middle-class families are seeing a much bigger loss in purchasing power thanks to increases in the prices of food, fuel, and housing.

Moreover, the last 2 years have been an experiment in exactly what you are proposing - using monetary policy to control inflation while using fiscal policy to attempt to prevent it from hitting most people. It has not worked, and it will not work in the future. In fact, the policy has had the opposite effect that you probably want: real wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of the wealthy, and inflation is largely concentrated in products purchased by the poor.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by 1123581321 on Saturday April 29, 2023 @01:29AM (#35750303)
If that's what's on the table, Congress' inability to act is protecting us.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by tekknik on Sunday April 30, 2023 @09:18AM (#35762275)
> Up the corporate tax rate.

> Change marginal tax rates for individuals.

Politician? Why are you trying to hide your intent here. Raise taxes across the board, just say it.

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by sanderjd on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:12PM (#35749670)
They need to raise taxes. That's the other lever.
Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by tenpies on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:13PM (#35749675)
> if they increase spending, you get more inflation, and then they have to eventually pay higher rates on their own debt

You can spend in a dis-inflationary manner: increasing production capacity, facilitating resource extraction, and generally anything that helps on the supply side of things.

But absolutely, given the current Administration and the Democrat agenda, this is anathema. If anything they would rather spend to destroy supply as much as possible, since this is generally what the SDG, DIE, and Green agendas consider "success".

A great example is the Inflation Reduction Act. The "green" portions were estimated to cost $390 BB initially, but are now estimated to cost $1045 BB (yes, over a trillion dollars), and this number will almost certain go up[1].

Not a penny of it goes to anything that would increase supply of what you'll need for the "green" infrastructure, it's all pure demand, the bulk of it EV incentives. You would have trouble coming up with a more inflationary plan if you tried.

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[1] https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/estimates/2023/4/27/up...

Re:FDIC set to take First Republic Bank into receivership by jmyeet on Saturday April 29, 2023 @12:08AM (#35749942)
This is so easy. Increase corporate taxation. Increase the minimum corporate tax rate from 15% to 50% until taxation comes down. Prohibit share buybacks.

If necessary put in a temporary price and wage freeze. This was done under Nixon.