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Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by bruce511 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @03:41PM (#35733503)
Everything about Voyager is just mind-blowing. These are 45 year old electronic devices, using 70's tech, with zero maintenance, operating 22 light hours away.

At that range they can still send messages detectable on earth. 9 out of 10 instruments are still working. People just leaving school when they launched are already retired.

This is one time when the adage "they don't make them like they used to" is well applied.

Hat tip to all involved.

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by derrasterpunkt on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:32PM (#35734123)
Voyager 2 had 11 instruments. 5 are still active. But still, it is a remarkable piece of technology.
Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by schmichael on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:37PM (#35734187)
Agreed, but I believe Voyager is 18.5 light hours away, not 22. The article says it is 20 billion km away which is 18.5 light hours.

However the article also states signals take 22 hours to reach the spacecraft. Do radio waves travel slower than the speed of light even in the vacuum of space? I assume the waves do not spend the extra 3.5 hours in Earth's atmosphere!

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by ars on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:42PM (#35734251)
The article is rounding up, and the parent comment is talking about Voyager 1.

Specifically: Voyager 1 is 23.8 billion km (23.8 Tm), and Voyager 2 is 18.3 Tm.

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by dylan604 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @05:27PM (#35734849)
For those that might not be aware, Voyager 2 launched before Voyager 1, so the distance discrepancy is not due to the further one being launched first
Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by bragr on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:49PM (#35735510)
Voyager 2 was launched first but on a less direct trajectory out of the system which allowed it to visit Uranus and Neptune. Voyager 1 is going much faster

https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status/

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by urubu on Thursday April 27, 2023 @05:07PM (#35734615)
There is an effect called dispersion, which causes different frequencies of electromagnetic radiation to travel through a medium at different speeds (lower frequencies => slower).

It's strong enough to be noticeable in the case of pulsars (but probably insignificant inside the solar system).

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by sosodev on Thursday April 27, 2023 @05:10PM (#35734651)
I think it's because space isn't a perfect vacuum. The interstellar medium is a mix of gas and dust that slow down and weaken the signal. That effect is known as dispersion.

With that said, it seems like the article might be inaccurate. That discrepancy seems too large to be explained by dispersion. I'm not an expert though.

edit: I think the author got Voyager 1's distance mixed up with Voyager 2. Voyager 1 is ~22 (21.6) light hours away.

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by hammyhavoc on Thursday April 27, 2023 @07:28PM (#35735802)
Sounds more like ChatGPT got it mixed up.
Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by hinkley on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:20PM (#35735273)
Don't confused TTFB with message transport time. With a low bandwidth link, throughput becomes part of latency. Probably not 3.5 hours, but some fraction of that.
Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by shagie on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:59PM (#35735573)
Btw, you can see the occasional communication with Voyager at https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html

As I write this, one of the dishes at Madrid just went to "Setup" for communication with VGR1.

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by enkid on Thursday April 27, 2023 @07:13PM (#35735702)
I mean, with a few notable exceptions, NASA's scientific missions have an amazing record of lasting much longer than they were designed for, Hubble and the Mars rovers & helicopter being amazing feats of lasting longer then they should.
Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by hulitu on Friday April 28, 2023 @10:24AM (#35741618)
> Everything about Voyager is just mind-blowing. These are 45 year old electronic devices, using 70's tech, with zero maintenance, operating 22 light hours away.

No, what is mind blowing is that we are not able to do it again.

Re:NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Lo... by jfengel on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:33AM (#35742518)
We did do it again. We got New Horizons out to Pluto a lot faster, without the aid of the remarkable alignment that made Voyager possible.

We keep exploring the solar system. There's no reason to repeat the same experiments. We've explored the planets in a lot more depth, and just launched even more.