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Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by DeathArrow on Thursday April 27, 2023 @05:25AM (#35725456)
If you don't follow a strictly sanctioned path, nobody will want to publish your book or produce your film.

Netflix has the custom to massively rewrite history in their productions. And some people think this is ok. Some do not.

See Egiptians suing Netflix over historical drama: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/netflix-sued-egyptian-la...

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by bazoom42 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:29AM (#35725959)
There is a big difference between editing/censoring existing art to conform to contemporay values, and to create new content. New content (like a new netflix production) will always reflect contemporary values.

A black Cleopatra is “rewriting history” in the same way an English speaking Cleopatra is.

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by causi on Thursday April 27, 2023 @08:12AM (#35726865)
A black Cleopatra is “rewriting history” in the same way an English speaking Cleopatra is.

Oh man, a production with historically-accurate Latin, Egyptian, and Greek would be so awesome.

How do you think a Cleopatra which didn’t “rewrite history” would look?

Like someone who's 3/4 Greek and 1/4 Egyptian. Not that most people are genuine about it anyway. I have doubts the people angry about whitewashing in Aloha, Dr. Strange, Lone Ranger, and Ghost in the Shell are the same set angry about blackwashing in Cleopatra, Little Mermaid, and Anne Boleyn.

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by margalabargala on Thursday April 27, 2023 @10:01AM (#35728219)
> blackwashing in Cleopatra

Agree on everything else you said, but Cleopatra is different from the other 6 you mentioned, because it's not presented as fiction.

It's not "a show about Cleopatra, where the actor happens to be black". That's fine, whatever, artistic license.

It's "a show that presents itself as historically accurate, and makes the specific claim that you, the viewer, were mistaught in school and they are historically accurate in claiming Cleopatra was in fact black".

When something presents itself as an accurate documentary and then holds up something false as truth, that's a huge difference and is held to a different standard.

Imagine if James Watson funded a documentary saying "actually I discovered DNA alone, Rosalind Franklin had nothing to do with it". It would be rightfully criticized, because it's made up.

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by causi on Thursday April 27, 2023 @10:04AM (#35728262)
I agree completely. It's especially relevant because as a political leader of a conquering dynasty, Cleopatra's differing heritage from her subjects may have, probably did have, effects on how her people thought of her and how she was able to wield power. The way the Ptolemy dynasty interacted with the people of Egypt is something I know almost nothing about and would have been very interested in seeing depicted onscreen.
Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by lipoid_ecole on Thursday April 27, 2023 @12:06PM (#35730196)
Il Primo Re uses archaic latin for all dialogue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_King:_Birth_of_an_Em...

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by bazoom42 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:05PM (#35733809)
> Like someone who's 3/4 Greek and 1/4 Egyptian.

Yeah, but how should her nose look? Should she be beautiful or ugly? How old?

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by zen_1 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @09:42AM (#35727990)
>A black Cleopatra is “rewriting history” in the same way an English speaking Cleopatra is.

So you'd be fine with Rami Malek playing Mansa Musa in a documentary or the next black panther?

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by Jiro on Thursday April 27, 2023 @11:20AM (#35729457)
An "English speaking Cleopatra" is, unless there's a specific in-story reason to speak English, not actually speaking English within the context of the story. The English is just there so the viewer can understand it.
Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by bazoom42 on Saturday April 29, 2023 @12:01PM (#35754161)
Sure. We also know the actor is not actually Cleopatra, and she probably looked quite different in reality.
Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by DeathArrow on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:32PM (#35734126)
Sorry, but Cleopatra is a few thousand years old content.
Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by toyg on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:32AM (#35725986)
> Netflix has the custom to massively rewrite history

This is a longstanding Hollywood tradition, arguably it goes back to Shakespeare.

The problem is people have come to accept that fictional works can perfectly describe reality as it is or was. That has never been the case and never will be. One should not believe what one sees on tv, outside of news and documentaries (and even there, a lot of critical thinking should be applied).

Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by bazoom42 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @07:45AM (#35726614)
It goes back at least to Gilgamesh.
Re:Steven Spielberg: ‘No film should be revised’ based on mo... by DeathArrow on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:37PM (#35734191)
So in the next season, Cleopatra will be a trasnswoman and the first person to travel to Mars while claiming 100% historical accuracy.