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Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by echelon on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:09AM (#35724779)
Cow milk is a battleground topic for global warming and climate change.

Gen Z has been encouraged to ditch milk to cut back on industrial cattle farming and methane emissions. They're also told that farming cattle is inhumane.

The milk alternatives (almond, etc.) have been framing it this way commercially, but there is also a lot of grassroots campaigning.

Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by mytailorisrich on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:26AM (#35724927)
I suspect that local milk is better for the environment (or less bad depending on how you look at it) than almond milk in most cases:

By far the largest producer of almonds is the USA, I think California mostly, which in itself has a large environmental impact, not least because of the water required. I am in the UK so I can reasonably assume that a lot of the almond milk I see in supermarkets comes from Californian almonds somehow shipped half across the world, whereas there are cows within walking distance from my home. And, of course, in any case there is no actual dietary need for people to drink either milk or milk alternatives (though most people here would argue that milk is required in tea...)

Frankly, this is no more than commercial interests vs. other commercial interests and most people are not interested in complexity, they want simple 'solutions' to feel good.

Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by shalmanese on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:05AM (#35725779)
No, from a carbon perspective, how you get your food home from the store overwhelms how the food got to the store because the last mile is using 5000lb vehicles to transport 10lbs of groceries whereas all previous steps use 1:1 or less ratios.
Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by mytailorisrich on Thursday April 27, 2023 @06:27AM (#35725952)
Not sure what the 'no' refers to, but I suspect that "how you get your food home from the store" is not relevant in a comparison since that would be the same whatever I buy.
Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by fenrissan on Thursday April 27, 2023 @05:11PM (#35734665)
Not even close, cow’s milk has significantly higher impacts than the plant-based alternatives across all metrics, including processing, transporting, etc.

https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks

Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by mytailorisrich on Friday April 28, 2023 @05:20AM (#35739149)
This link is not very informative.

For instance, it states that producing one litre of dairy milk requires more water than producing one litre of almond milk. OK, and? In itself it means little. Almond farming is creating big water pressure in California, which is already water-stressed. Is having cows in England creating the same water issue? I don't know.

It's not clear what the proportion of transport is in the total emissions. 'Transport' is also vague as it can go from local to intercontinental, as mentioned.

> If you want to reduce the environmental footprint of your diet, switching to plant-based alternatives is a good option.

That strikes me again as avoiding the glaringly obvious option: reduce/stop milk consumption. Otherwise, it sounds like marketing for one product over another one.

Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by knorker on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:42AM (#35725060)
Pushing anything almond "for the environment" seems like it's a slap in the face of California, to me.
Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by red-iron-pine on Thursday April 27, 2023 @08:57AM (#35727328)
I think this poster's point is that almond milk uses an insane amount of water relative to what it produces -- a problem for a region having notable shortages of water.
Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by knorker on Thursday April 27, 2023 @10:45AM (#35728932)
If by "the poster" you mean me, the person you replied to, then yes that is what I was alluding to.
Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by scoofy on Thursday April 27, 2023 @10:53AM (#35729045)
Beef production uses massively more water, it’s just that, like the sugar on your cereal boxes, they split it up into smaller segments.

Alfalfa: Beef/Dairy

Pasture: Beef/dairy

Corn: Beef/dairy

Grain: Beef/dairy

Alfalfa alone uses more water than almonds… it’s just called alfalfa instead of beef.

https://pacinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/CA-Ag-Water-U...

Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by karmakurtisaani on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:55AM (#35725175)
> They're also told that farming cattle is inhumane.

The way you formulate this statement makes it sound like there is some controversy or room for interpretation here.

Put yourself in the position of a typical milk producing cow. Imagine giving birth to a child that's taken away from you and you never see him/her again (usually to be instantly slaughtered). All just so you start lactating and the milk can be extracted from you.

I still drink mill and eat cheese, but it's pretty damn gruesome if you put any thought into it.

Re:Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars... by jules-jules on Thursday April 27, 2023 @07:29AM (#35726443)
No need to beat around the bush. Dairy/cattle farming contributes to climate change and is inhumane.