Your usage of need is directly contrary to the dictionary definition of need. Have you heard of ketosis?
> many things you consider "good" are also carbs, like veggies
Veggies are not good for the carbs they contain (Fiber has some value of course, but not really as a carbohydrate), but instead for the nutrients (commonly known as "vitamins/minerals") they contain in edible forms for our bodies.
There is no purpose to carbohydrates in and of themselves, they provide one energy-burning source and certain classes of carbohydrates are consumed to provide important nutrients, but the carbohydrate itself is never a high value intake.
Both carbs value and dread come from their quick, easily convertible energy, which used to be a big plus when we were all working the land or building stuff, but indeed has very little value when we sit on our assets all day.
Do you even lift?
> Edit: downvoters really need to open up Wikipedia and read "Essential Nutrients" > This is a comical set of people downvoting me while literally stating facts, because Big Ag propaganda worked on them
Regardless of your facts, I’d say the downvotes are from your tone here.
See the guidelines[1], particularly the first two paragraphs under “In Comments”:
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
> Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
Conversely, the right carbohydrates can be very healthy when consumed correctly.
"Essential" means just that, essential. It doesn't say anything about how much you should eat, how often, when, or anything else. Plenty of unessential things are good to consume, like non-essential amino acids.
The leading cause of death for the developed world is heart disease, and a diet high in saturated fat and low in fiber is a great way to get it.
Wow, citation needed
> the right carbohydrates can be very healthy
For what reason? Because of the essential nutrients they carry, which are not the carbohydrate? Or because some carbohydrate(s) ha(s|ve) some emergent property due to interactions with the body?
Right, the former
The person I'm responding to is literally saying: "I don't know if carbs or protein and fat are better for me"
I, like anyone with any knowledge of nutrition, am saying "it's obviously protein and fat, the stuff that helps you grow"
You, nit-picker extraordinaire, are coming in and adding "if you eat only processed fat and protein, this is worse compared to a diet high in vegetables"
Please go away.
Every major study comparing keto and other more balanced diets disagrees with you. Carbs aren't just good for what they are mixed with, but also because they can displace more harmful sources of energy, like saturated fats. Most things that are 0 carb, have lots of saturated fat and cholesterol. Note: Dietary cholesterol can have a disproportionate affect on blood lipids depending on your genetics, despite all the people clamoring that it doesn't matter.
It's not nit-picking if you're giving blanket advice that's misleading.
Necessary does not mean sufficient. In biology, necessary doesn't even mean harmless. It is often best to get small, or even minimal, amounts of needed things, like salt or iron.
Has anyone even used the word "necessary" in the entire thread? What are you on about?
> It's not nit-picking if you're giving blanket advice that's misleading
What advice am I giving that's misleading?
I am stating: in general, carbs are unnecessary for your health, and the goal behind consuming them should be to acquire nutrients, not calories from carbohydrate sources. Carbohydrate sources can help with energy, but little else. Eating healthy proteins and fats should be prioritized.
Thoughts of eating processed bullshit with full of saturated and trans fats is only coming out of your side of this conversation.
Fats and proteins = good, necessary, healthy
Carbohydrates = easy to farm and store