You seem to be assuming that the only reason someone would downvote you is because they are tin foil hatters, or "nutters". I did not downvote you, but I could understand someone doing so for either or all of these reasons:

1. Your comment was kind of a "me too" comment that added nothing (or little) of substance to the conversation. On HN these types of comments are typically downvoted, regardless of topic or whether the voter is wearing a tinfoil hat.

2. You complained about the downvoting, and in addition added a personal insult to the downvoters. Personal insults are typically downvoted on HN as well.

3. You dismissed and strawmanned the "entire discussion" as "mostly people ranting about things we don't even know to be true." This type of thing is also frequently downvoted as it doesn't add anything substantive.

I mean no disrespect, but with nearly 20K "karma" points on HN, I know the rules, and when I'm flouting them a bit. I rarely do, and not the more serious ones. But this whole discussion is such a shit show, filled with so much "of course they're all bad" nonsense that I sacrificed some of that pointless karma to agree with someone in that regard.

I recognize your username from this thread, you were one of the accounts that came to mind as a big bandwagon offender of the "it's all bad and there can be no nuance" rhetoric :).

Have a good day! And I mean that quite sincerely. It's a beautiful spring day here and I'm just visiting my desk momentarily after spending the last hour waking up the swimming pool and preparing it for this weekend. Time to go back outside and forget about the Internet for a while.

Other than this reply, I've ceased posting in this discussion and hidden it to avoid the temptation.

If by “data driven” you mean we have to ignore history and common sense, we’ll, yeah I guess I don’t believe in being data driven.