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Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by Zetobal on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:39AM (#35684026)
No, worries there will be one LLM that is forced to cohere to your political bias sooner or later.
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by ofalkaed on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:33AM (#35683992)
So other than not being plastered with ads how is it any different from most "news" sources?
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by tus666 on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:19AM (#35683939)
It's bias can be quite easily challenge. I have changed it's view a number of times on various things. 3.5 is free currently. It actually does learn, from user interaction. It is controlled by a small group, that might be an issue though if they introduce artificial bias.
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by 32gbsd on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:32AM (#35683989)
It will unfold in the same way that 3d movies came and went. A fun distraction.
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by smoldesu on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:20AM (#35683949)
Free market made it, if you're asking me. As for the consequences, I'm not really worried. Nothing it's produced has scared me any more than the rest of capitalism's horrorshow. Frankly, the fact that this garbage isn't coming from a human is a relief to me. If postcapitalist society ends with humanity fearing progress, then I welcome the irony with open arms.
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by jstx1 on Monday April 24, 2023 @03:51AM (#35684788)
1. Very expensive - why do you care?

2. Opinionated - not necessarily bad, and can be tuned.

3. Politically biased - that's a bullshit criterion. You want a tool that's reasonably objective - being in the middle between the two current political extremes is different from being objective.

4. Doesn't learn new skills - it does.

5. Controlled by a small group of people - that's why there are other implementations of LLMs.

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by roflyear on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:11AM (#35688600)
How does it learn new skills?
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by jstx1 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:31AM (#35688891)
1. In-context learning - you can teach the model things without retraining the underlying model parameters.

2. Actual model updates (it's not like we'll be stuck with the 2023 version forever).

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by roflyear on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:29PM (#35689778)
I don't think you can do 1, can you demonstrate that is possible?

I don't argue you can't add to its trainingset, of course you can.

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by adamhp on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:16PM (#35690467)
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by roflyear on Monday April 24, 2023 @05:22PM (#35693462)
Ah I wouldn't call that teaching it something new (like a concept), but giving it prompts and responses. It is really cool, though!
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by barrysteve on Monday April 24, 2023 @06:01AM (#35685572)
Yes, and no.

All our written wisdom is being devoured by computing. This throughline started a long time ago. We will be the last generation to remember the pre-internet time when access to knowledge was a huge advantage in life.

The past was better for the spiritual types. The lust for data, is becoming a full blown fact-seeking exhaustion soon enough.

Is chatgpt a trap? Yes for people who want to oppose the data brokers. No for everyone else who turns the other cheek, on the great data suckage.

The real trap is the inability to have an original thought, develop it and profit on it in the marketplace. Instant and ubiquitous corporate/economic espionage enabled by computing has the power to stagnate the West permanently.

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by kypro on Monday April 24, 2023 @06:29AM (#35685763)
> ChatGPT is very expensive

Is it? I mean it only cost a few million to train and it's cheap enough to provide free and open access to... It's quite cheap compared to how much some software companies will spend building a product and for how long they'll operate at a loss.

I don't really know what you mean by a "trap" though. ChatGPT is a fairly good tool if used right. Given its dubious level of accuracy a the moment I doubt anyone is using it to form political opinions, but maybe I'm being naive.

The real risk I see would be future AIs which are reliable enough to trust, but have unknown goals both due to AI alignment challenges and their secretive training and fine tuning by corporations.

Although I'd argue this is just another iteration of the same problem we have with researching things using tools like Google and Wikipedia today. Google clearly bias certain results, but for the average query they are a reliable resource which gives a false sense of trust. Similarly, Wikipedia's academic articles are generally of a very high quality which leads some people to falsely trust the more opinionated articles.

ChatGPT is just one of many tech products which will be used to influence people. A trap would imply we don't already know this.

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by alehlopeh on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:17AM (#35686131)
Humanity doesn’t do things. Humans do.
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by matt_s on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:46AM (#35686393)
In my opinion, it doesn't have skills. It computes output responses based on input (i.e. text input it has been fed over time), a history of threaded inputs by a human and possibly different personas which are just different styles of output.

I see a skill as learning how to do something where that learning translates to many similar activities. For example, learning how to integrate two systems using a REST API into your application is a skill - dealing with errors, paging of responses, parsing of JSON, etc. If you come along another API that isn't REST, maybe its some message queue with JSON, you've learned the skill of how to integrate and that translates pretty well. If a LLM/GPT is fed text input on the code needed for a client side REST API in language X, that's it - it won't be able to output the code needed for the client side of consuming a message queue unless it is fed that particular input. If its never heard of a message queue you're going to get paragraphs of text that equate to a blank stare. I think you're right that it doesn't learn skills because it doesn't have skills much like any computer doesn't have skills.

I think the trap for humanity is the potential fraudulent things we'll see come to light that happen during a hype cycle. Some investors are likely to trap their money into projects/companies that don't pan out or are completely useless.

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by aristofun on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:04AM (#35687158)
I wonder why hysterical and nonsense chathpt related questions are not yet banned on hn.

Seeing those make me think less about quality of HN community :(

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by ineedausername on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:42AM (#35687545)
dk but they do generate quite some traffic :p
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by aristofun on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:52AM (#35687654)
HN was never about traffic, always about community quality

If this priority shifts, hn is gone

Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by roflyear on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:10AM (#35688596)
Well, OpenAI has failed to demonstrate that they have done anything novel. This at least should tell us that others should be able to replicate what they have done (or even do it better).
Re:Ask HN: Is ChatGPT a trap that humanity is building for i... by swami108 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @10:54AM (#35714606)
Related question: I wonder how many humans (regular people, not copywriters, marketers, and businesses) are actually happy that chatgpt is here.