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Re:Moths are more efficient pollinators than bees, shows new... by foobarian on Sunday April 23, 2023 @07:07PM (#35681640)
I mean, honey is pure carbs, so anything that produces so much excess of it can’t possibly be very efficient
Re:Moths are more efficient pollinators than bees, shows new... by luxuryballs on Sunday April 23, 2023 @07:21PM (#35681756)
I feel like it’s the opposite, the amount of energy packed into a single drop of honey makes it very efficient.
Re:Moths are more efficient pollinators than bees, shows new... by bee_rider on Sunday April 23, 2023 @08:09PM (#35682094)
The energy taken by the bees and turned into honey is a cost from the flower’s point of view. I think you are looking at the efficiency of honey as a food, while the previous poster is looking at the efficiency of bees as pollinators?
Re:Moths are more efficient pollinators than bees, shows new... by maxbond on Sunday April 23, 2023 @09:11PM (#35682570)
This just isn't an area we need to optimize. The relationship between pollinators and angiosperms is working, as long as it keeps going we don't really need to worry about how energy efficient it is. The pollinators aren't going to exhaust the inputs to photosynthesis by drinking too much nectar. The real problem is that flying insect biomass is declining rapidly.

I'd wager satisficing is better in the context of ecosystems then optimizing, to keep the system flexible and robust to change.

Re:Moths are more efficient pollinators than bees, shows new... by luxuryballs on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:29AM (#35686818)
it’s even more efficient for the bees who effortlessly and by their very nature produce enough that an invader can eat and be satisfied and yet still leave them with plenty! a veritable honey pot
Re:Moths are more efficient pollinators than bees, shows new... by hotpotamus on Sunday April 23, 2023 @07:42PM (#35681913)
Honeybees are domesticated, and as usual humans tend to select for animals that produce more. Even so they'd need to produce enough to hold the hive over winter.