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Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by Gigachad on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:55AM (#35649940)
Tbh this seems not that problematic. I get that there is a lot of distasteful stuff going on around John Deere, but I think it's useful to see this on it's own which is a useful feature.

Account locks have done a huge amount to reduce phone theft, a tractor is 100x more expensive.

Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by skywal_l on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:34AM (#35650096)
It's a nice PR action for John Deere. Now US farmers know that if Russia invade the US, JD will have their back. But barring a russian invasion, how many tractors are being stolen in the US every year? I don't think this is a real problem.

And we are talking about a state actor here. I am sure that Russia can find a way to bypass the lock and if not, as mentioned in the article, they will sell the parts.

However, if I was a farmer, I wouldn't want JD to have that level of control on my property. I would want JD to handle that control to me, ideally under the form of public and documented API and free software.

Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by eimrine on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:09AM (#35650006)
What is your definition of useful?

In more lawful areas a theft can not use a stolen tractor because of police. Since Eastern Europe is not so lawful, the owner will not receive new tractor or something.

So where is a good use coming from in your understanding?

Just from the fact that the theft will receive $30k in cash instead of $100k as the tractor cost? And that is the reason to buy a tractor with a killswitch which in some another situation (used not original parts, insulted the JD team, did something against ToS) might be activated AGAINST the owner?

Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by BiteCode_dev on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:09AM (#35650004)
Yes, but phones have a reason to be online most of the time.

A vehicle should be able to be used without ever being online.

Otherwise you are at the mercy of udpates, the provider good will (and John Deere as little), network availability and so on.

Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by anilakar on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:50AM (#35650521)
So are CNC machines. Are you aware that if you move a modern one, it's gonna be bricked?
Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by NinjaKitten on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:27AM (#35650742)
Yes and we don't like it.
Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by BiteCode_dev on Friday April 21, 2023 @06:02AM (#35651696)
And it's a very bad no good awful thing.

Stallman is extreme, but he got that part right. DRM and other bricking mechanism are not our friends.

Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by notjulianjaynes on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:36PM (#35656301)
I did not know this. Is it for theft prevention, or more like a deterrent to e.g. would-be clandestine arms manufacturers. I'm aware CNC machines can be quite pricey, but they otherwise seem like an impractical target for theives. At least a tractor has wheels.
Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by alpaca128 on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:49AM (#35650516)
I'm not sure what's not distasteful about the manufacturer having the power to turn your investment into a brick at any time, potentially blocking any customer request with "you violated the terms of service".
Re:John Deere 'Kill Switch' renders stolen tractors useless ... by Paul-Craft on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:02AM (#35650967)
> Account locks have done a huge amount to reduce phone theft, a tractor is 100x more expensive.

Based on an iPhone 14 @ $1500 and what I saw on a price list I googled, John Deere tractors seem to range from around $40k to around $575k. That's a really wide range, from 20x to nearly 400x as expensive.

https://commercialvehicleinfo.com/john-deere-tractors-price-...