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Re:Google DeepMind by quickthrower2 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:04PM (#35646302)
Exams are designed to be challenging to humans because most of us don’t have photographic memories or RAM based memory, so passing the test is a good predictor of knowing your stuff, i.e. deep comprehension.

Making GPT sit it is like getting someone with no knowledge but a computer full of past questions and answers and a search button to sit the exam. It has metaphorical written it’s answers on it’s arm.

Re:Google DeepMind by entropicdrifter on Thursday April 20, 2023 @06:00PM (#35647031)
This is essentially true. I explained it to my friends like this:

It knows a lot of stuff, but it can't do much thinking, so the minute your problem and its solution are far enough off the well-trodden path, its logic falls apart. Likewise, it's not especially good at math. It's great at understanding your question and replying with a good plain-english answer, but it's not actually thinking

Re:Google DeepMind by zamnos on Thursday April 20, 2023 @07:49PM (#35648105)
That's a disservice to your friends, unless you spend a bunch of time defining thinking first, and even then, it's not clear that it, with what it knows and the computing power it has access to, doesn't "think". It totally does a bunch of problem solving; fails on some, succeeds on others (just like a human that thinks); GPT-4's better than GPT-3. It's quite successful at simple reasoning (eg https://sharegpt.com/c/SCeRkT7 and moderately successful at difficult reasoning (eg getting a solution to the puzzle question about the man, the fox, the chicken, and the grain trying to cross the river. GPT-3 fails if you substitute in different animals, but GPT-4 seems to be able to handle that. GPT-4's passed the bar exam, which has a whole section on logic puzzles (sample test questions from '07: https://www.trainertestprep.com/lsat/blog/sample-lsat-logic-... ).

It's able to define new concepts and new words. It's masters have gone to great lengths to prevent it from writing out particular types of judgements (eg https://sharegpt.com/c/uPztFv1). Hell, it's got a great imagination if you look at all the hallucinations it produces.

All of that sum up to many thinking-adjacent things, if not actual thinking! It all really hinges on your definition of thinking.

Re:Google DeepMind by fhe on Thursday April 20, 2023 @07:32PM (#35647969)
exactly. it's almost like say dictionaries are better at spelling bee hence smarter than humans, or that computers can easily beat humans in Tetris and smarter because of that.
Re:Google DeepMind by CamperBob2 on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:14AM (#35650300)
It has metaphorical(ly) written its answers on its arm.

See GPT4's reply to pclmulqdq at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35648144 .

That's not a response from someone who wrote the answers on the inside of their elbow before coming to class. That's genuine inductive reasoning at a level you wouldn't get from quite a few real, live human students. GPT4 is using its general knowledge to speculate on the answer to a question that has possibly never been asked before, certainly not in those particular words.

Re:Google DeepMind by quickthrower2 on Friday April 21, 2023 @08:32PM (#35662076)
It is hard to tell what is really happening. At some level though, it is deep reasoning by humans, turned into intelligent text, and run through a language model. If you fed the model garbage it would spit out garbage. Unlike a human child who tends to know when you are lying to them.
Re:Google DeepMind by CamperBob2 on Friday April 21, 2023 @10:29PM (#35662813)
If you fed the model garbage it would spit out garbage.

(Shrug) Exactly the same as with a human child.

Unlike a human child who tends to know when you are lying to them.

LOL. If that were true, it might have saved Fox News $800 million. Nobody would bother lying, either to children or to adults, if it didn't work as well as it does.

Re:Google DeepMind by BlackSwanMan on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @01:15AM (#35709838)
There's literally millions of kids who think a fat man with a beard delivers them presidents once a year if they're nice.