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Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by 2Gkashmiri on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:32AM (#35639652)
Uh... Like documented Intel management engine but hey, everyone is fine with america spying on the world to make it safe for Americans.

Like the time USA was caught spying on Angela Merkel and nothing happened ?

I'm not saying huawei isn't spying for China. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't but to say they are the only ones doing mass surveillance on behalf of foreign governments is naive at best.

Isn't the reason for EU and India and China and russia forcing american companies to have local data because the real threat of american government having access to that data?

How is american governments access to other nations data fine but not the other way around?

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by boringg on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:38AM (#35639706)
Uhhhhh apples to oranges. The level of functionality on behalf of the government is completely different (being that Huawei is an arm of the PRC) making your comparison off base. Documented intel management engine…
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by 2Gkashmiri on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:48AM (#35639852)
Last I know, there is no tangible evidence linking documented backdoors in huawei network equipment. If my memory serves me right, huawei was ahead of others in 5G and american and other companies saw that as a threat and suddenly huawei equipment had unknown backdoors and suspicions.

I would be happy to be proved wrong but how does being funded or managed or owned by PRC influence anything unless there are actual backdoors?

Just because huawei is funded by PRC does that make them guilty?

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by edgyquant on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:02AM (#35640087)
When national security is at stake you can’t trust your literal greatest rival to build your infrastructure. I really don’t think people making arguments like this are being honest, they just can’t be.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by 2Gkashmiri on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:51AM (#35639915)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276

This Hn poster wrote this. So CIA is selling backdoored equipment which is fine for you?

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by boringg on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:05AM (#35640123)
Everything on that thread you linked has no credible sources.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by xxpor on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:05PM (#35642144)
Yeah actually, I'd rather have my government doing the backdooring than a foreign one. My interests are generally more aligned with the US government's than China's.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by 2Gkashmiri on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:10PM (#35643027)
cool.

another question.

What about someone in EU or africa or india. who should in your opinion spy on them? usa or china?

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by tough on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:27PM (#35643271)
Ideally both to be safe...

Maybe just add a third neutral participant to have three spying forces for no breaks.

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by xxpor on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:26PM (#35656138)
No one ideally, but in the real world someone is going to be. It's considered basically accepted by governments, just don't get caught.

That being said, it's interesting that a lot of the China vs US heat started ramping up right when China rounded up a bunch of CIA assets in the country. It's arguable from a game theory perspective that everyone's better off with a bunch of spying so everyone knows what's really going on in a country. Transparency is usually considered good in other areas. I can't see why that wouldn't apply here.

It's also worth pointing out that by and large, it's very likely the important programs aren't spying on day to day citizens, especially as the war on terror has faded. They're just not that important, and it's riskier. It's economic, military, and political espionage.

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by jwestbury on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:34AM (#35639667)
How is any of this relevant to a discussion of Huawei? "Yeah, but someone else is doing it, too" isn't a useful point to make.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by 2Gkashmiri on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:49AM (#35639864)
Do you have any documented backdoors found on any huawei product?
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by noarchy on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:31AM (#35640605)
Anytime there is discussion of China here, you can set your watch to the whataboutist replies rather reliably.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by badcppdev on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:01AM (#35640070)
So the US Government is banning US companies from selling to Huawei for US national security reasons. Those reasons can relate to potential threats rather than proven actions. There is no court of law and presumption of innocence until proven guilty in this process.

The Chinese government could absolutely ban Chinese companies from selling to companies closely affiliated with the US Government if they wanted to and I imagine there are some Chinese companies/products that are subject to export restrictions.

Various governments around the world are enforcing different import/export/data rules to protect their citizens.

These things are all 'fine' or at least understandable and well within the expected behaviour of sovereign nations.

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by rchaud on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:10AM (#35641332)
> How is american governments access to other nations data fine but not the other way around?

Nothing's stopping nation-states from forking Linux-based systems and open source tools to circumvent Microsoft, Apple, Netgear, etc. There isn't enough political buy-in to wean countries off of Windows, Mac, Android, Intel, AMD etc.

German schools for a while used OpenOffice as Office 365 had too many privacy issues. But these are small-scale changes that are temporary, and don't go beyond the muncipality level [0].

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/germa...