Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs

Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by woodruffw on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @08:36PM (#35622611)

> In my view, you're either a hustler, a hacker, or a manager of such to be essential to a tech business. You don't need any strategic hiring coordinating coordinators for higher-education.

I think it’s somewhat telling that you didn’t list “engineer” here.

Meta isn’t a quirky startup, and hasn’t been for a decade: it’s one of the largest corporations (by market value) on the planet. By all rights, there ought to be a lot of people performing boring, turn-the-crank work that doesn’t immediately surface to you.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by jononomo on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @08:48PM (#35622704)

A hacker is an engineer.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by woodruffw on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @09:31PM (#35623159)

A hacker is a kind of engineer. Large companies require all sorts; expecting all of your engineers to be “hackers” is the kind of prima-donna-mentality-encouraging behavior that I would expect Meta to have grown out of by now.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by saghm on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @10:37PM (#35623622)

I think they _should_ have outgrown it by now, but I'm not sure whether I'd honestly expect it

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by red-iron-pine on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:20AM (#35628519)

To that point: there is a lot of boring, eye-rolling -- but totally essential -- things like requirements management that are important for engineering. "move fast and break things" makes sense when you're small and agile, but when you have a massive platform that many other individuals and business depend on you just can't do that.

Sometimes I need a wizard with multi-domain knowledge to whip up a POC system, but most of the time I need someone to ensure all of the pieces work, have specs that meet reqs, and won't cause an outage when we deploy them.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by okdood64 on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:08AM (#35629093)

> A hacker is a kind of engineer.

I've always found the term "hacker" pretty eye-rolly.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by thethimble on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @03:05PM (#35631990)

We’re literally on hacker news right now

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by gofreddygo on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @05:49PM (#35633735)

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by jononomo on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @01:30PM (#35630900)

The person was just using the term "hacker" to mean "any kind of engineer".

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by woodruffw on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:08PM (#35633937)

They say otherwise directly below.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by grayhatter on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @09:20PM (#35623041)

Admittedly they seem to be overlapping circles; but I don't believe they actually are.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @09:29PM (#35623133)

TIL, I'm an "engineer".

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by 1letterunixname on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @08:55PM (#35622765)

Exactly. A subset of engineers who deliver much and fast.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by grayhatter on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @09:19PM (#35623026)

haven't read the hacker manifesto yet?

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by davidgay on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @10:45PM (#35623665)

Snide putdowns of other groups of people just convince me your opinions are not worth listening to.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by sollewitt on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:34AM (#35624270)

Much, fast, maintainable: pick two.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by innagadadavida on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @01:45AM (#35624662)

Also at Meta. The software stack is a shit show - xplat debugging in Vscode can’t even print the variables properly. This hacker culture is good at shipping shitty stuff and getting your bonus/promo and moving on.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by pjmlp on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @03:21AM (#35625316)

Only if they have a degree allowing themselves to call that.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by horsawlarway on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @08:51AM (#35627500)

Software engineer isn't a protected title in the US.

My cat can legally be a software engineer - no degrees required.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by pc86 on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @09:48AM (#35628086)

Honestly probably wouldn't even be in the bottom 10% skill-wise, either.

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Re:Meta is about to start its next round of layoffs by pjmlp on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @10:07AM (#35628336)

Unfortunely, it only devalues the qualities that the word actually means in practice.

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