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Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by Terretta on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @02:39PM (#35618076)
Ok, but in year five, it would look like this again:

      1,000,000 Revenue
    - 1,000,000 1/5 Salary expense x 5 years rolling
    -----------
              0 Profit
So really, it's removing (deferring, or peanut buttering) the startup and ramp up "invent new things" subsidy, while not really affecting steady state R&D if you're not growing talent ahead of revenue.

So even in year 5, it's an adverse incentive for putting new/more talent to work.

Even big business may not be able to make as many growth project budgets work.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by whimsicalism on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @02:40PM (#35618098)
Startup subsidy?

This seems to be penalizing competition and new competitors, for literally no reason.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by RhodesianHunter on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:24PM (#35619526)
No reason? Regulatory capture is the reason.
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by uoaei on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @02:53PM (#35618281)
Unconstrained growth is not tolerated anywhere else, but somehow people bend over backwards to explain how actually any constraints on business growth are Very Bad And Evil.
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by AnotherGoodName on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @03:07PM (#35618511)
Unsustained growth is just one type of growth though and this affects all growth so I don't see you point as relevant here.
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by uoaei on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @07:03PM (#35621710)
That's a natural outcome in any complex system. It's not reasonable to assume that changes can only affect some parts and not others. What's important is not the first-order changes, but the second-order equilibrium that such a change engenders.

What's important is that unconstrained growth is meaningfully checked. This at least makes it possible for others to thrive, even if they're asked to adapt to a new paradigm. I don't see how a thorough analysis could ever ignore this.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by Zamicol on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @01:04PM (#35703410)
I'm commenting on one of your older comments so it doesn't appear in the current discussion.

What I think needs to be adjusted with GR is simple: Just as time dilates, t'=γt, gravity emission itself must time dilate: g'=γg.

In the case of GR, just replace t with g. t'=t√(1−(2GM/rc^2)).

The problem here is solving for gravity self-interaction concerning gravity emission.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by robomartin on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:02PM (#35619251)
No

Year one: You go broke. Everyone loses their jobs. You file for bankruptcy. Game over. There is no year 5.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by ricardobayes on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:12PM (#35619368)
European software companies don't go broke and AFAIK they have 0% tax credit for salaries (in most countries, I know there are some R&D schemes in UK).
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by aarondf on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:41PM (#35619770)
We're not talking about a tax credit at all though... We're talking about being able to deduct salaries paid.

A tax credit is usually an incentive, like if you spend 10k on solar panels you get to deduct the 10k and then the government might say "hey thanks for pushing renewable energy, deduct an extra 2k from your tax bill." That's a credit, which we're not discussing here.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by kgwgk on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:20PM (#35619472)
> 0% tax credit for salaries

I don't think that's what's being discussed here. The question is whether salaries are (completely) expensed immediately (reducing profits) or whether they are (partly) capitalised (which will reduce profits later but not now).

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by l33tman on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:30PM (#35619607)
In Sweden, salaries are 100% deductible. You pay company taxes on the profit you make. There is an option to capitalize some R&D expenses if you can show that they are directly responsible for a future asset that you can set a value on (like, a startup where all engineers work on a single product).
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by coldtea on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @05:09PM (#35620213)
>European software companies don't go broke

They don't do that well either. Which is perhaps why the biggest ones are all American

>they have 0% tax credit for salaries

At least in some countries I know that's totally wrong, but depends what you mean by "credit". Salaries are expenses, are not counted in profit.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by ricardobayes on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:35PM (#35630236)
Ever heard of that small German company called SAP?
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by achenet on Thursday April 20, 2023 @06:14AM (#35638109)
they're more the exception than the rule.

The biggest software companies (Facebook/Meta, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, Apple) are all American.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by JamesBarney on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @06:58PM (#35621657)
You think European software companies count software engineering salary expenses as profit that they are taxed on?
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by foobarbazetc on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @07:17PM (#35621842)
No one is talking about tax credits.

The expense of salaries isn’t deductible against income.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by taxopinion on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:46PM (#35619835)
The lack of specificity in your little table should illuminate for you why this is such a complex issue to comprehend. I understand there is some fictional, meaningless interpretation hidden inside your head where that table is "right," but for all normal interpretations, it's wrong.
Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by foobarbazetc on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @07:14PM (#35621819)
That’s if you could have afforded to pay the tax on the $2,000,000 of phantom profit you had until this point, which no one can.

You don’t get that back unless you somehow fire everyone so you can offset income and expenses without more amortization.

Re:Software firms across US facing tax bills that threaten s... by hgsgm on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @07:46PM (#35622140)
You can if you raise debt or equity to pay salaries.