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Re:Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy d... by SoftTalker on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @12:37PM (#35616337)
State sponsored programs can move fast. Kennedy gave his "man on the moon" speech in May 1961, and we put a man on the moon in 1969.

8 years to develop the Saturn rockets and all the associated lunar module gear, without any ability to do sophisticated computer modeling or simulatoins. That's pretty competitive; SpaceX is about 20 years old now.

Re:Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy d... by mlindner on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @12:49PM (#35616488)
At the Apollo program's peak the US was also putting more than 4% of the total US budget toward the program. If the EU put more than 4% of it's total budget toward ESA I'm sure they could do something similar.

But that's not the point. The point of Falcon 9 was to reduce the price of getting to space. That was purportedly the promise of Ariane 6 but now there has simply been goal post moving to "it's to maintain independent access to space".

Re:Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy d... by SoftTalker on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @04:49PM (#35619901)
The price of a launch is not necessarily determined by the money spent developing the launch capability.

What is the EU spending compared to what SpaceX spent to develop its launch vehicles?

Re:Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy d... by panick21_ on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:05AM (#35636261)
People love to quote this 4% total budget thing. Like yes we get it, but please stop just repeating that stuff.

Government did much less stuff in 1960s, that was before the Great Society and many other things. 4% total budget in 1960s and 4% in a modern Western state are totally different things.

Re:Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy d... by mafribe on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @12:58PM (#35616623)
Is it wise to overfit on the exception rather than the rule?

Is the state sponsorship the same in both cases, or are there noteworthy differences?

Re:Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy d... by tabtab on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @01:18PM (#35616906)
> State sponsored programs can move fast. Kennedy gave his "man on the moon"

By hiring private contractors and throwing lots of money at them.